What’s up with the bills usage of Kincaid?

[iwishitwerecolder]

I love Kincaid as much as the next guy.. but can’t help but deny the lack of production so far through this season. He’s had flashes of greatness through his first two seasons, but under the Brady system sorta seems like a 1-2 yard route kinda guy instead of the “kelce find the open spot in the defense” kind of player. Just sort of feels like we could’ve traded back and gotten a guy like laporta, or maybe gone corner in the 2023 draft. Also not to mention, the year prior singing Knox to a pretty massive contract as well.

Edited September 30 by iwishitwerecolder

[T master]

It's not just Kincaid, Knox has been none existent in this offense pretty much, & then Ty Johnson is another weapon that was a stud last year which is why htey brought him back but the only time i remember him being used last nigh was when he scored then after that nothing . 

 

Skantling was brought in for what i thought was the speed guy Samuel too, to take the top off of the opposing D but he hasn't been used much at all either & after last nights performance from Hollins when they really could have used his 3 or so drops i'm not sure i would be looking his direction any time soon .

 

Maybe it's just a chemistry thing and later in the year Josh will get connected with them but last night wasn't a good showing for any of these guy s mentioned and the Ravens were keying on the ones that got used in the prior games which is what teams do so why not utilize the others ? 

[The Frankish Reich]

14 hours ago, iwishitwerecolder said:

Also not to mention, the year prior singing Knox to a pretty massive contract as well.

Well, you did mention it.

4 games. Averaging about 50% of snaps.

5 targets. 3 catches. 30 yards.

Awful signing.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Well, you did mention it.

4 games. Averaging about 50% of snaps.

5 targets. 3 catches. 30 yards.

Awful signing.

But he fixes furnaces … gotta take that into account 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Let’s be clear first, the Bills offense has been dominant minus Baltimore and a half vs Arizona. 
 

But yes, their usage of Kincaid and also Samuel is concerning. 

Kincaid was drafted to work out of the slot in a Daboll/Dorsey offense.

 

Edited October 1 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Johnnycage46]

Diggs and Beasly seem to be the only guys under Allen who were targeted a ton. Not sure why, but it seems like every other team in the league would force feed someone like Kincaid, not sure why we dont.

[Sweats]

Honestly, i think Brady' still trying to figure it all out......hopefully, he can see the pieces in place and the best usage for yards.

[LeviF]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Let’s be clear first, the Bills offense has been dominant minus Baltimore and a half vs Arizona. 
 

But yes, their usage of Kincaid and also Samuel is concerning. 

Kincaid was drafted to work out of the slot in a Daboll/Dorsey offense.

 

So the Bills offense has been dominant for little over half of the season. Against tomato can defenses. Just to be clear. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, LeviF said:

So the Bills offense has been dominant for little over half of the season. Against tomato can defenses. Just to be clear. 

Tomato can or not they’re NFL defenses. The Bills dominated them like SEC vs UB. But yes we should also point out the Bills have done that before. 
 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I mean how hard can it be? Any low level internet could go watch film of Kelce, Gronk, Kittle,  and a host of other great TEs and design 10-15 plays that exploit the defense.

 

This board was happy to see Diggs gone thinking this would open up opportunities for others.  Just the opposite so far. Maybe just maybe Diggs did draw extra attention late last year opening up opportunities for Shakir and Kincaid to make plays. 

[LeviF]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Tomato can or not they’re NFL defenses. The Bills dominated them like SEC vs UB. But yes we should also point out the Bills have done that before. 
 

 

Yeah, they get paid too. I get that. But once you get to the playoffs you’re facing the league’s top defenses (7 of 8 divisional round teams last year were top 12 in ppg allowed, including 5 of the top 6). 
 

I’m not sure that Brady really has the chops tbh. Being the OC for possibly the best college football squad ever isn’t quite the feather in the cap that everyone thinks it is. I’m not sure how many football people would actually ***** up Burrow, Chase, and Jefferson on the field together. 

[Eastport bills]

15 hours ago, iwishitwerecolder said:

I love Kincaid as much as the next guy.. but can’t help but deny the lack of production so far through this season. He’s had flashes of greatness through his first two seasons, but under the Brady system sorta seems like a 1-2 yard route kinda guy instead of the “kelce find the open spot in the defense” kind of player. Just sort of feels like we could’ve traded back and gotten a guy like laporta, or maybe gone corner in the 2023 draft. Also not to mention, the year prior singing Knox to a pretty massive contract as well.

Brady had a very bad game and obviously is still struggling to operate the 12 personnel double TE offense. Knox is invisible and Kincaid had some early targets but nothing meaningful. This offense revolves around Cook running successfully opening up opportunities for Shakir, Coleman and Samuel.

[Chicken Boo]

Look no further than Kyle Pitts in Atlanta.  

 

I imagine it's frustrating for the player.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

17 hours ago, iwishitwerecolder said:

I love Kincaid as much as the next guy.. but can’t help but deny the lack of production so far through this season. He’s had flashes of greatness through his first two seasons, but under the Brady system sorta seems like a 1-2 yard route kinda guy instead of the “kelce find the open spot in the defense” kind of player. Just sort of feels like we could’ve traded back and gotten a guy like laporta, or maybe gone corner in the 2023 draft. Also not to mention, the year prior singing Knox to a pretty massive contract as well.

I had the same thought as you, but then you think back to the first few games, and this offense is humming. And there have been times when Kincaid has run deeper routes and there have been connections. 
 

I would like to see more of Kincaid in the middle, but it is better than we all think. 

[MJS]

TE's all over the league have been pretty disappointing so far this year. It's an interesting trend.

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said:

Diggs and Beasly seem to be the only guys under Allen who were targeted a ton. Not sure why, but it seems like every other team in the league would force feed someone like Kincaid, not sure why we dont.

 

we did in the beginning against Balt, then suddenly stopped.  Then force fed Coleman, then stopped.  This O is perplexing.  Hopefully it perplexes Houston on Sun instead of us.  

Edited October 1 by RyanC883

[mrags]

3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Well, you did mention it.

4 games. Averaging about 50% of snaps.

5 targets. 3 catches. 30 yards.

Awful signing.

Or awful usage. 

[Alphadawg7]

Week 1 - 9 guys caught 18 of Allens completions (and barely had the ball first half) and AZ went out to take Kincaid away

Week 2 - Little passing, Cook dominated, took the 2nd half off

Week 3 - 10 guys caught passes and again we took the 2nd half off

Week 4 - The entire team crapped the bed top to bottom 

 

Totals are not going to tell anyone an accurate story on our season thus far.  Our offense did not play much for most of a half all 3 games and of course self destructed in week 4.  

 

Now Brady is coming off his first dud and will likely make some adjustments.  More concerning for me is how little usage and how little plan they seem to have for Samuel right now.  

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Well, you did mention it.

4 games. Averaging about 50% of snaps.

5 targets. 3 catches. 30 yards.

Awful signing.

This organization has got to identify future allocation better and stop with the ridiculous extensions. We extended Knox then rarely use him. We extend Bass after a mediocre season. We sign guys like Hines, Harty & Samuel only to completely ignore them.  Do they like wasting money or this this just a systematic failure in player usage?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I mean how hard can it be? Any low level internet could go watch film of Kelce, Gronk, Kittle,  and a host of other great TEs and design 10-15 plays that exploit the defense.

 

This board was happy to see Diggs gone thinking this would open up opportunities for others.  Just the opposite so far. Maybe just maybe Diggs did draw extra attention late last year opening up opportunities for Shakir and Kincaid to make plays. 

 

He still can do this, and has done it.  But if teams are playing off coverage on a bunch, you have leverage - its basically like an outside run.  I don't need to diagnose man vs. zone, 2 high vs. 1 high, pressure, whatever.  I just call an alert and throw it over to the bunch and its 2 blocking 2 and kincaid has the ball to create some YAC.  

 

Teams will start trying to find ways to stop this, but if you can get 5-10 yards basically on a handoff to shakir or kincaid, why wouldn't you?