NewEra Posted November 15 Posted November 15 10 minutes ago, notpolian said: I know how they measure these stats in Hockey and Basketball. I would be an easy thing to do but I should have been clearer what I was talking about. One way would be to find out what the defensive average yards allowed with Rousseau on the field vs. off the field. Or maybe DVOA with Rousseau on vs off. There are a ton of factors such as the play called, defense they are in, is there a twist or stunt on (oh wait, the Bills don't do that) but over the course of the season the sample size would be large enough such that things would settle out. I'd imagine the numerical difference wouldn't be much but the it might be interesting and a way to quantify the benefit of a player. Just curious if some website does that kind of thing. I doubt it, but I don't know. To my eye, we seem weak against the run. We've been running a 4-2-5 nickel for years, and we've always been vulnerable in the playoffs, but this year it just feels like teams can gash us for 7-10 yards on the ground if they stick with it. In past years we've done better. I'm not saying it’s Rousseau's fault, but he and others simply cannot overcome the scheme. To me that'd what a difference maker does. They jump out at you, fans fear playing against them, and teams game plan to take them out. My bar for that type of player may be higher than most. Quote
MiracleAtRich1393 Posted November 15 Posted November 15 4 hours ago, BillsPride12 said: Yet it's a position they continue to neglect over and over again in the draft every year which is mind boggling to me. I was jealous watching the Philly game last night Yeah Jordan Davis, Keeanu Benton, and T'Vondre Sweat are all guys in recent years I was hoping we could somehow get but didn't fall nearly far enough for us. Also really liked Alim McNeill but he's more of a 3T. Anyone in those molds for this year's draft? 1 1 Quote
Lothar Posted November 15 Posted November 15 2 minutes ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said: Yeah Jordan Davis, Keeanu Benton, and T'Vondre Sweat are all guys in recent years I was hoping we could somehow get but didn't fall nearly far enough for us. Also really liked Alim McNeill but he's more of a 3T. Anyone in those molds for this year's draft? Yes! I just heard Jim Nagy on Sirius (he scouts players for the Senior Bowl) say this will be a great year for defensive line, both inside and outside. He also said this will be a bad year for the offensive line. That should work well for the Bills! 2 Quote
GoBills808 Posted November 15 Posted November 15 13 minutes ago, Lothar said: Yes! I just heard Jim Nagy on Sirius (he scouts players for the Senior Bowl) say this will be a great year for defensive line, both inside and outside. He also said this will be a bad year for the offensive line. That should work well for the Bills! if we need dline doesn't that work poorly for the Bills ie more of those guys get drafted before we pick Quote
Lothar Posted November 15 Posted November 15 (edited) 12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: if we need dline doesn't that work poorly for the Bills ie more of those guys get drafted before we pick I think it's that the more quality defensive lineman are available, the better our opportunity to get one. I think we may draft more than one if Daquan really has hit the wall. Oliver needs a solid 1-tech next to him and those can be found on day 2 and 3. But hopefully we also find another pass rusher? Edited November 15 by Lothar Quote
finn Posted Friday at 10:14 PM Posted Friday at 10:14 PM Given that he's ineffective even against much lesser interior linemen that KC has, how about lining up Oliver against the left tackle on passing downs? He's quick and powerful, and he might be more effective than Epenesa, who usually gets glued to the block. I should be an NFL consultant. 😁 Quote
Warriorspikes51 Posted Friday at 10:15 PM Posted Friday at 10:15 PM 1 minute ago, finn said: Given that he's ineffective even against much lesser interior linemen that KC has, how about lining up Oliver against the left tackle on passing downs? He's quick and powerful, and he might be more effective than Epenesa, who usually gets glued to the block. I should be an NFL consultant. 😁 I've heard crazier ideas. I'd like to see a few times He's made maybe 2 plays all year it feels like? 1 Quote
Sojourner Posted Friday at 10:24 PM Posted Friday at 10:24 PM 5 hours ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said: Anyone in those molds for this year's draft? Im interested to see where the 2 interior guys from Michigan end up. Both are Juniors so they could stay another year. Both serious talent and are probably going to be day 1 and 2 picks. I like the Grant kid more though. Love the kid from Kentucky; Walker. Don’t know if he declares this year. Same goes with Nolan who transferred from A&M to Ole Miss. One who definitley will be in the draft is Ohio State’s Williams. That kid has some quality potential. 1 Quote
mjt328 Posted Friday at 11:00 PM Posted Friday at 11:00 PM There are only a handful of ELITE pass rushers, who can rack up 15-20 sacks per year regardless of scheme or other players around them. TJ Watt and Myles Garrett are basically the Patrick Mahomes/Josh Allen of the DE world, and everyone else is a notch below. Greg Rousseau has taken that step into Top 5-10 status. But he's not quite fast enough to put up HUGE numbers without additional help along the D-Line. In the same QB terms, he's probably in the Jalen Hurts/Justin Herbert tier. Outside of Rousseau, the Bills have just not gotten a consistent push from the right side of the line, or from the middle. Ed Oliver just doesn't seem to have the size to beat double-teams (and makes very little impact otherwise), and DaQuan Jones has taken a huge step-backwards this season. Quote
JohnNord Posted Friday at 11:06 PM Posted Friday at 11:06 PM This is going to be another game against Kansas City that Ed Oliver will be MIA. It always happens when faced the interior of Kansas City. He never does anything. 1 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted Friday at 11:08 PM Posted Friday at 11:08 PM 5 hours ago, Lothar said: Yes! I just heard Jim Nagy on Sirius (he scouts players for the Senior Bowl) say this will be a great year for defensive line, both inside and outside. He also said this will be a bad year for the offensive line. That should work well for the Bills! We need a couple huge 1 Techs on this team. 1 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted Friday at 11:35 PM Posted Friday at 11:35 PM 28 minutes ago, JohnNord said: This is going to be another game against Kansas City that Ed Oliver will be MIA. It always happens when faced the interior of Kansas City. He never does anything. Actually not true. The 13 second game he was very good indeed. Easily the Bills best defensive player. Quote
JohnNord Posted Sunday at 02:57 AM Posted Sunday at 02:57 AM On 11/15/2024 at 6:35 PM, GunnerBill said: Actually not true. The 13 second game he was very good indeed. Easily the Bills best defensive player. I don’t remember anything Ed or anyone else on the DL did in that game. But you can’t deny that Oliver was invisible the last time the teams met Quote
coloradobillsfan Posted Monday at 04:40 AM Posted Monday at 04:40 AM this thread deserves a bump I thought Oliver pushed the pocket all day long today and I loved it 4 1 1 Quote
Bookie Man Posted Monday at 04:44 AM Posted Monday at 04:44 AM He was a disruptor today. Needed him to show up. 2 Quote
Richard Noggin Posted Monday at 04:47 AM Posted Monday at 04:47 AM Rousseau was really impactful as well. Nice to see the two 1st rounders showing up at the same time. Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted Monday at 04:59 AM Posted Monday at 04:59 AM He was awesome today. Thuney got his but kicked Quote
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