The throw to Shakir deserves its own thread

[ALLEN1QB]

6 hours ago, Success said:

We take these kinds of plays from Allen for granted now.  In some ways, they're commonplace.

 

But I don't know - maybe 5-6 guys in the last 20 years or so make a throw like that?  I'm still shaking my head.  Unfortunately, that trick play changed the game, and now I doubt it will even be talked about.  But man....

 

5 or 6? Please name them I don't think anyone on the entire planet can make that throw. 

[MiracleAtRich1393]

7 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The lack of separation in the 1st half was devastating. Josh had to basically throw 2 jump ball "back shoulders" to Keon just to get something downfield.  This team doesn't need a chirping diva like Diggs but it definitely needs a speed wr.

BTJR 🥺😢😥😭

[ALG1130]

Be careful, you are going to upset the "we let the Chiefs take Mahomes" crowd 🙄

[NewEra]

9 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The lack of separation in the 1st half was devastating. Josh had to basically throw 2 jump ball "back shoulders" to Keon just to get something downfield.  This team doesn't need a chirping diva like Diggs but it definitely needs a speed wr.

While I’d wager that was the biggest problem,….the all-22 will tell us for sure.  Tv view doesn’t tell the whole story. 

[T master]

10 hours ago, Drew21PA said:

He will get it

 

Maybe even this year - something is different 

 

I'm with you ! With all the new pieces in most every part of this team not including the injuries they have endured to this point it's going to take a minute for every one to get the chemistry it takes in the NFL, but if we thought in any way this team was going to go out & be 17-0 (which for some here that wouldn't even make them happy) that's just crazy .

 

I think this loss - well ass whooping will give them the motivation to take on the apparent short comings that were exposed last night, i feel they will learn from it going forward plus getting healthier will also be a plus . 

 

But the Ravens showed they are for real but like every other team in the NFL they have their weaknesses that can be exploited as shown in their first couple of losses but i think the Bills will see them again & learn from this game to take on & use later this season ...

 

GO BILLS !!!!  

[Savage]

12 hours ago, Drew21PA said:

I’m watching this year just to watch Allen 

 

I have zero expectations - this kid is special and I hope you all just relax and realize you are seeing amazing ness 

Unfortunately,

 

in football years, he isn’t a kid anymore, basically middle age.

 

[Ghost_002!]

6 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said:

5 or 6? Please name them I don't think anyone on the entire planet can make that throw. 

 

Mahomes 

Lamar Jackson 

(It appears) jayden Daniels

Celeb Williams (possibly too)

Mike Vick 

Randall Cunningham 

Edited September 30 by Ghost_002!

[8BallSippin]

Coleman makes that big catch, we don't run that absurd gadget play, and we run some screens to slow down pressure and gain some first downs, this game is very different. 

 

The Bills get shutout last night without Allen.  that was one of the best throws I've ever seen, we're lucky he didn't get hurt on that play, I think 14 guys were chasing him!  LOL

[jkeerie]

17 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The three throws to Coleman were fantastic also.  Even though he was running for his life Allen was actually sharp tonight.  I am concerned at how little separation we saw out there from the Receivers.

 

Tasker was talking about this.  Ravens defenders play that clutchy, grabby style of defense, daring the officials to call PI...which they seldom if ever do.  Hard for any receivers to get free if they're being held.

[3rdand12]

20 hours ago, Drew21PA said:

All 22 will say different I think 

 

that team is good - they will be in the playoffs man relax

 

oton sharpen iron is what i say!!!

So will the Ravens

7 hours ago, 8BallSippin said:

Coleman makes that big catch, we don't run that absurd gadget play, and we run some screens to slow down pressure and gain some first downs, this game is very different. 

 

The Bills get shutout last night without Allen.  that was one of the best throws I've ever seen, we're lucky he didn't get hurt on that play, I think 14 guys were chasing him!  LOL

😅

[JerseyBills]

20 hours ago, Simon said:

 

That strike on a dead sprint laterally while falling backwards across the OB line was just sick.

Nasty work from 17 

 

SHEESH 

[Scott7975]

21 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

The lack of separation in the 1st half was devastating. Josh had to basically throw 2 jump ball "back shoulders" to Keon just to get something downfield.  This team doesn't need a chirping diva like Diggs but it definitely needs a speed wr.

 

What the Bills needed last night was better blocking by the oline so that they didnt have to max protect and still have bad blocking.  This team was only sending 3 out receiving to a team that had 5-6 in coverage, while the Ravens still got jailbreak pressure. You arent going to win that matchup. Brady also went away from all our motions and everything. Our entire game plan was thrown in the garbage.

[Talley56]

If the Bills come back to win this would have been the play of the game.  It probably would have gotten a lot more attention.

[Jerome007]

This play was crazy. Really amazing stuff. That dude is insane, in the best possible way.

 

A great adjustment they did in the 2nd half is using max protect a lot. Strangely, the added blockers were often not needed and started a short route. It might be something to use more. Josh deserved that for all "the running for his life" he had to do! After two games where he was barely touched. Such difference between games is kind of mind boggling. 

[JerseyBills]

 

Watch the ball in the live version, incredible, then watch what he was facing in the replays - GOAT ****

[Sweats]

21 hours ago, T master said:

 

I'm with you ! With all the new pieces in most every part of this team not including the injuries they have endured to this point it's going to take a minute for every one to get the chemistry it takes in the NFL, but if we thought in any way this team was going to go out & be 17-0 (which for some here that wouldn't even make them happy) that's just crazy .

 

I think this loss - well ass whooping will give them the motivation to take on the apparent short comings that were exposed last night, i feel they will learn from it going forward plus getting healthier will also be a plus . 

 

But the Ravens showed they are for real but like every other team in the NFL they have their weaknesses that can be exploited as shown in their first couple of losses but i think the Bills will see them again & learn from this game to take on & use later this season ...

 

GO BILLS !!!!  

 

 

 

I agree with you to a point, they will learn from it, however, you can't learn or teach talent. Our D is talentless and got outmatched, outplayed and steamrolled by the Ravens. Baltimore opened up the play sheet on how to beat the Bills and honestly, it really wasn't that difficult or progressive.......win the trenches on both sides, pressure JA, RB's straight up the gut. The Bills have usually always had a problem over the years stopping the run.

 

The team can have all of the motivation it wants......if they haven't got the skills or the talent, participation trophies for everybody.

[T master]

18 minutes ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

I agree with you to a point, they will learn from it, however, you can't learn or teach talent. Our D is talentless and got outmatched, outplayed and steamrolled by the Ravens. Baltimore opened up the play sheet on how to beat the Bills and honestly, it really wasn't that difficult or progressive.......win the trenches on both sides, pressure JA, RB's straight up the gut. The Bills have usually always had a problem over the years stopping the run.

 

The team can have all of the motivation it wants......if they haven't got the skills or the talent, participation trophies for everybody.

 

I never understood the Oliver pick ?? I thought well John Randal was a under sized D Linemen and he reaked havoc enough to be a HOF player but they are once in a lifetime i guess . Ed is a good player but no way a HOF player and you need a guy like that in the middle of the D line . 288 lbs on a NFL D Line ain't gonna get it today I think he'd be better utilized as a DE in some situations .

 

I thought they may have used Groot in there or at least tried him in there when they saw he wasn't producing on the out side but i didn't see him drop inside unless i missed it . Hopefully they can learn from it and make the proper corrections ...

[Shaw66]

On 9/30/2024 at 12:13 AM, LABILLBACKER said:

The lack of separation in the 1st half was devastating. Josh had to basically throw 2 jump ball "back shoulders" to Keon just to get something downfield.  This team doesn't need a chirping diva like Diggs but it definitely needs a speed wr.

Those aren't jump balls. That was a great thrower and a good receiver executing the back shoulder exactly the way it's drawn up. Both players expect that either (1) the receiver separates and the throw goes deep or (2) the receiver doesn't separate, in which he's going to have a defender right next to him. That's exactly what happened. The QB and receiver have a big advantage in that situation, because the receiver can stop and the defender can't afford to stop. If they execute correctly, it is far from a jump ball. On neither of the two to Coleman did the defender have a realistic chance to defend the throw, let alone intercept.  Neither was jump ball. 

[Shaw66]

4 hours ago, Sweats said:

 

 

 

I agree with you to a point, they will learn from it, however, you can't learn or teach talent. Our D is talentless and got outmatched, outplayed and steamrolled by the Ravens. Baltimore opened up the play sheet on how to beat the Bills and honestly, it really wasn't that difficult or progressive.......win the trenches on both sides, pressure JA, RB's straight up the gut. The Bills have usually always had a problem over the years stopping the run.

 

The team can have all of the motivation it wants......if they haven't got the skills or the talent, participation trophies for everybody.

I disagree with a lot of this.

 

First, the D definitely is not "talentless."  Benford, Douglas, Bernard, Williams, Rousseau, Miller, Oliver, Jones are all very talented players. And Milano, Bernard, and Johnson.  They just don't fit the model that you seem to think the Bills need. 

 

As I said to you yesterday, I think you're wrong when you say what the Ravens do isn't difficult or progressive. They have two supremely talented backs, they have lots of motion, they use their offensive line creatively. They are going to be a headache for a lot of teams until coordinators begin to figure out responses.  

 

I agree that the Bills have had problems stopping the run. It's very much by design. Like it or not, McDermott's approach has been to stop the pass and do the best you can against the run. And teams around the league have copied that approach - they're playing two-deep safeties, sophisticated coverages, all the stuff McDermott's done for a while now.  That's why running is up and passing is down around the league. McDermott's run defenses have been weak, but they've been pretty good inside the red zone. He puts his biggest boys on the field - still not as big as other teams have, but the biggest he has, and he challenges his smaller, quicker players to make plays. They've done that. 

 

I've never been convinced that McDermott is right about all of that, but that's clearly his philosophy, and it's worked pretty well.  Now that the emphasis around the league has shifted to the run so dramatically, the Bills may be behind the curve. Other teams have bigger defensive lines, better attacking defensive linemen, because they foolishly wasted resources on them three or four years ago. I say foolishly, because those guys weren't the best guys to have three or four years ago. Now that the style of play seems to be changing so dramatically, those guys they may have taken "foolishly" three or four years ago are just right for the way offenses are forcing them to play now. 

 

All of that is to say that although the Bills have plenty of talent on defense, I think you may be right in one sense: The Bills may not have the right talent to play the way the league now demands. However, I think it's way too early to tell that. The Ravens really are a peculiar team; there isn't another team in the league that plays the way the Ravens do, and that's been true ever since Lamar got there. 

 

I really think the offense is a much bigger concern, which is where you said yesterday that we just have different views about what's going on. I'm concerned about the offense because the Bills should have had a pretty good sense of what they were likely to get from the Ravens defense, and the offense wasn't prepared for it. Lots of people, including me, have complained about that gadget play precisely because it played into the hands of the kind of defense the Ravens play. That's bad game planning. 

 

In other words, I think the offense needs better answers. You think the defense needs to have better answers, but I think the biggest part of the answer for the defense is don't play the Ravens every week, because it's a bad matchup for how the Bills are built. 

[Alphadawg7]

Nah, Allen has lost a step I heard 😂