The resurrection of Sam Darnold

[Saxum]

The issues with QBs is frankly the draft - due to high potential value  of QBs they are being drafted early in the most complicated position in NFL and they are not ready to be successful on teams which often have bottom of league talent including some from bottom level coaches and front office staff.  This results in extra pressure put them which does not help they become successful QBs.  Teams do not feel they can allow these QBs ro sit on bench with amount of money this players are being paid and  this also probably results in resentment from other players.

 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 hours ago, Saxum said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DarnSa00.htm

Sam Darnold was terrible with JESTS (or were the JESTS terrible for Sam Darnold) and he was not successful as a backup QB with best record being 4-2-0 for Panthers in 2022.

The only good team he was on was 2023 for 49ers, the last game of the regular season.

 

Sam Darnold is looking great and not just only against poor defenses.  He is distributing the ball to different players not just to most highly paid WR in NFL.

 

Is this just a perfect situation making him look much better or is he smarter now on a better team?

 

He’s got that Rich Gannon arc 

[pigpen65]

2018 QB draft class finally looking like it was supposed to. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

3 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

He’s in the best offensive system in the NFL, with arguably a top 5 offensive cast.

 

This is the team that made Josh Dobbs look good for 5 weeks.

BS. The QB deserves way more credit. He’s still gotta execute. “System” QBs don’t put up those types of numbers. He’s putting the ball where it needs to be and also trusting his receivers by giving them a chance 

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield are having amazing career rebirths after being thrown on the scrap heap.  When both were with Carolina & then Baker got waived, nobody could have seen their careers flourishing in 2024.

 

It will be interesting to see what Minnesota does at the end of the season.  Will they keep Darnold, sign him to a long-term contract & trade McCarthy?  That would be similar to what the Rams did when Warner emerged & Trent Green was not needed.  Will they let Darnold walk for nothing in return, since he's a UFA after this year?  I can see the Giants being very interested in bringing Darnold back to Met-Life. 

I would struggle to believe the Giants want to bring in a guy who hasn’t done anything his entire career, until he’s put on an offense that carried Josh Dobbs last season.  I don’t mean to take anything away from what Darnold is doing, but whatever GM is dumb enough to sign him to a big deal will be out of a job quicker than Sam will.  He’s fools gold. 
 

The Vikes would be wise to let him walk and collect their comp pick.  Roll with your guy and take a shot at greatness vs pretty good.

[RoscoeParrish]

3 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

BS. The QB deserves way more credit. He’s still gotta execute. “System” QBs don’t put up those types of numbers. He’s putting the ball where it needs to be and also trusting his receivers by giving them a chance 

Brock Purdy, Tua, Malik Willis, Jimmy G, Sam Darnold. 
 

The thing they all have in common? Playing in a Shanny system or derivative with a significant amount of talent around them that makes them look better than they are.

[BuffaloBillyG]

Would be hysterical to see the Vikings let him walk and he ends up going back to the Jets as a replacement for Rodgers if he retires after the year.

[Saxum]

7 minutes ago, pigpen65 said:

2018 QB draft class finally looking like it was supposed to. 

 

So when will "Wrong" Josh get his chance for redemption?

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

Would be hysterical to see the Vikings let him walk and he ends up going back to the Jets as a replacement for Rodgers if he retires after the year.

 

JEST do like ex-Vikings QBs.

[DCofNC]

Not gonna lie, I thought Harbaugh was better, the way he’s handcuffing Herbert (who also isn’t as good as everyone claims) is awful.

[machine gun kelly]

I’d love the high pick too, but Beane has been known to do well with even late picks.  I’m happy for him.  He’s suffered on bad teams minus his one game the the 9ers.

[TBBills Fan]

42 minutes ago, Saxum said:

The issues with QBs is frankly the draft - due to high potential value  of QBs they are being drafted early in the most complicated position in NFL and they are not ready to be successful on teams which often have bottom of league talent including some from bottom level coaches and front office staff.  This results in extra pressure put them which does not help they become successful QBs.  Teams do not feel they can allow these QBs ro sit on bench with amount of money this players are being paid and  this also probably results in resentment from other players.

 

 

Baker, darnold, Dalton... experience matters.  Being in a NFL org for 4-5 years, if you have any sense about you, you should get better at your job

 

You see alot of QBs become competent once they have multiple seasons 

[BigAl2526]

I think the Jets bungled badly in their efforts to develop Darnold.  It's just part of a pattern with the Jets.  Credit Darnold for not giving up.  

[ganesh]

4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I always thought he had real talent but was trapped in bad organizations. He’s a good player.

was he ?

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Would be hysterical to see the Vikings let him walk and he ends up going back to the Jets as a replacement for Rodgers if he retires after the year.

He could end up playing for the Dolphins, Vegas, or New Orleans

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Brock Purdy, Tua, Malik Willis, Jimmy G, Sam Darnold. 
 

The thing they all have in common? Playing in a Shanny system or derivative with a significant amount of talent around them that makes them look better than they are.

If anyone can do it then they wouldn’t have shelled that much money towards Tua and they will do the same for Purdy. 

[RoscoeParrish]

1 minute ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

If anyone can do it then they wouldn’t have shelled that much money towards Tua and they will do the same for Purdy. 

It’s not that anyone can do it.

 

its that some QBs who aren’t great can play great in those situations. 

[dave mcbride]

16 hours ago, Chaos said:

The niners are a bad organization? 

He was a backup there because Purdy. But according to everything I’ve read, he was good there and ran the system well (and played pretty well) in his one meaningless start at the end of the season.

[djp14150]

15 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

But I thought everyone here said that the Vikings were going to be trash.

They drafted a QB high and brought in Darnold.  The expectations was that this rookie QB would take over mid season which is typical.

 

they got to start with the giants and got a crippled 49er team which helped the team gain confidence which is critical when teams suddenly start to think they are good.

 

 

 

 

[PayDaBill$]

14 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

BS. The QB deserves way more credit. He’s still gotta execute. “System” QBs don’t put up those types of numbers. He’s putting the ball where it needs to be and also trusting his receivers by giving them a chance 

Put him back on a mediocre squad with so so coaching and we’re not having this conversation.

Edited September 30 by PayDaBill$

[Captain Hindsight]

19 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I always thought he had real talent but was trapped in bad organizations. He’s a good player.

I remember him and Josh dueling thier rookie years and thinking he had a really bright future. Then they hired adam gase....

[dave mcbride]

14 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I remember him and Josh dueling thier rookie years and thinking he had a really bright future. Then they hired adam gase....

Yup. Gase was bad.