13,000 Illegal Alien MURDERERS Allowed In By Border Czar Kamala

[aristocrat]

13 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

You first have to have a comprehensive approach that tackles the root causes of illegal immigration, fixes the broken asylum system, and incentivizes people to either come here legally or not come at all. Only then can you really figure out how to handle the people who are already here. 
 

Better staff immigration courts, simplify the legal immigration and asylum processes, give CBP the tools and staffing they actually need instead of a big stupid wall that wouldn’t even work. 
 

Today, it can take *years* to have an asylum claim adjudicated. If you’re really escaping violence or threats to your family, we’re basically telling you that you need to come here illegally because it’ll take too long to do it the right way. 
 

As long as we incentive that behavior, we’ll never fix the problem no matter how much money we waste on a wall in the middle of a desert. 

So spending around 450 billion housing them and feeding them would be the incentives right? So we should start there. 

[BillsFanNC]

Holy ***** what an absolute imbecile the King is.

 

Root causes!

 

 

A toxic combination of useful idiocy, TDS and the iron law of woke projection in every single post.

[ChiGoose]

8 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

So spending around 450 billion housing them and feeding them would be the incentives right? So we should start there. 

1. I think that number is wrong. 
 

2. You’re still too far downstream of the problem.

 

You’re talking about people who truly believe their lives and their families lives are in danger. They are leaving everything behind to take a dangerous journey just to find opportunity. You can build a big wall, and they will still come. You can say that they won’t get any assistance, and they will still come. They are coming, so the question is: what do you do about that?
 

They’re not sitting around their kitchen table thinking “well, we probably need to leave our lives behind to risk our lives to get out of here, but I just heard we don’t get a handout when we get there so I guess we’ll just stay here and die.”

[BillsFanNC]

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[aristocrat]

20 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

1. I think that number is wrong. 
 

2. You’re still too far downstream of the problem.

 

You’re talking about people who truly believe their lives and their families lives are in danger. They are leaving everything behind to take a dangerous journey just to find opportunity. You can build a big wall, and they will still come. You can say that they won’t get any assistance, and they will still come. They are coming, so the question is: what do you do about that?
 

They’re not sitting around their kitchen table thinking “well, we probably need to leave our lives behind to risk our lives to get out of here, but I just heard we don’t get a handout when we get there so I guess we’ll just stay here and die.”

It’s been a reported number but could be off. We have too many homeless people here and people who can’t afford food as it is to support these migrants. That’s just a reality. It’s a sad reality. Until we get our house in order we can’t help everyone else. 

now if you wanna have us take over countries like Haiti I think that should happen. 

[Tiberius]

Immigration has made America great! That's just true. 

 

On literally the only issue the clown party has and their policy hurts America. 

 

MAGA just sucks slime 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

14 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Immigration has made America great! That's just true. 

 

On literally the only issue the clown party has and their policy hurts America. 

 

MAGA just sucks slime 

Its not a question if immigration or no immigration. Its a question of balance, of sane and rational policy. Of balancing the needs of the country with the the desire to help. Of doing things in an orderly and secure manner.

 

This administration's immigration policy is complete chaos. And leaving our border open and insecure is lunacy and something that will produce a lot of negative consequences for many for a long time. And importing 20 million people that will be dependent on public assistance and resources diverted from other pressing needs for years and years is shear insanity. Maybe 90% of the Earth's population would improve their condition by migrating to the US but bringing 4 or 5 billion people here won't make the country great. Like I said its a question of balance. You only look at the benefits and ignore all the costs and consequences. Which is completely irrational. 

Edited September 30 by All_Pro_Bills

[Tiberius]

7 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Its not a question if immigration or no immigration. Its a question of balance, of sane and rational policy. Of balancing the needs of the country with the the desire to help. Of doing things in an orderly and secure manner.

 

This administration's immigration policy is complete chaos. And leaving our border open and insecure is lunacy and something that will produce a lot of negative consequences for many for a long time. And importing 20 million people that will be dependent on public assistance and resources diverted from other pressing needs for years and years is shear insanity. Maybe 90% of the Earth's population would improve their condition by migrating to the US but bringing 4 or 5 billion people here won't make the country great. Like I said its a question of balance. You only look at the benefits and ignore all the costs and consequences. Which is completely irrational. 

Yup, we need workers and we are getting them. You got a bunch of drug heads that don't work, trailer park people that hate the world and people that won't go out and make their skills better screaming that its unfair that other, hard working, positive minded people are coming in, getting better and helping the country working their butts off to build a better life

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

24 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Yup, we need workers and we are getting them. You got a bunch of drug heads that don't work, trailer park people that hate the world and people that won't go out and make their skills better screaming that its unfair that other, hard working, positive minded people are coming in, getting better and helping the country working their butts off to build a better life

 

 

What we have now by importing all these unskilled masses is lower wages for Americans and higher unemployment among the poorest. Because employers are taking advantage of the situation and hiring immigrants that will work cheap at the expense of Americans. Undercutting a living wage. Aren't your leaders touting a living wage for American workers and decrying the exploitation of workers by evil conservative business owners and price gougers? Yet their policies produce the exact opposite result to depress wage levels and lead to higher unemployment among citizens because of a system that puts downward pressure on wages. And bigger profits for businesses. You're cult needs to get their story straight. Do you want to import millions of unskilled immigrants or guarantee Americans a living wage? You can't have both at such high volumes of border crossings.

 

And sure we need immigration. But not uncontrolled and unskilled masses dependent on social assistance for years. My neighbors are Asian immigrants. As are many in my neighborhood. But they're highly skilled, productive, well compensated by private employers, and educated professionals with advanced degrees in areas like medicine and technology. They add to our economy and don't  rely on taxpayer money to support their families. This is the kind of immigration we need more of to make our country great. Not millions more dependent on assistance from the taxpayers. High skilled and highly educated immigrants, yes. 10's of millions of unskiled to depress wages of the poorest among us, no. 

Edited September 30 by All_Pro_Bills

[ScotSHO]

23 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You got a bunch of drug heads that don't work, trailer park people that hate the world and people that won't go out and make their skills better screaming that its unfair that other, hard working, positive minded people are coming in, getting better and helping the country working their butts off to build a better life

 

Maybe the party of rehabilitation should examine what happened to all these forgotten people.  It couldn't be the dem policies of "gibs me dat" doing the harm?  NAH, never.  I'm sure your answer will be we need MORE government assistance.

[Irv]

16 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

1. I think that number is wrong. 
 

2. You’re still too far downstream of the problem.

 

You’re talking about people who truly believe their lives and their families lives are in danger. They are leaving everything behind to take a dangerous journey just to find opportunity. You can build a big wall, and they will still come. You can say that they won’t get any assistance, and they will still come. They are coming, so the question is: what do you do about that?
 

They’re not sitting around their kitchen table thinking “well, we probably need to leave our lives behind to risk our lives to get out of here, but I just heard we don’t get a handout when we get there so I guess we’ll just stay here and die.”

Round 'em up.  Ask them to leave.  If they don't.  Shoot them on the spot.  Done.    

[ChiGoose]

20 minutes ago, Irv said:

Round 'em up.  Ask them to leave.  If they don't.  Shoot them on the spot.  Done.    

 

That's some straight up evil right there.

 

Also, I gotta think eliminating a significant part of the farming and construction labor force would have inflationary effects on those markets...

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

 

That's some straight up evil right there.

 

Also, I gotta think eliminating a significant part of the farming and construction labor force would have inflationary effects on those markets...

I don't know what you're observing in your area but there's not a lot of farming going on in midtown Manhattan migrant shelters and hotels where people are just hanging around collecting public assistance checks and free housing while complaining the food menu doesn't include enough "healthy choices" or "cultural alternatives".

 

And remember... The majority came across the border claiming asylum status. That was the loophole in the system the NGO's and human traffickers with a big assist from the Biden administration have exploited to flood the country with immigrants. If they in reality came here for economic reasons and to "work" then they arrived under false pretense.

Edited September 30 by All_Pro_Bills

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

49 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

That's some straight up evil right there.

 

Also, I gotta think eliminating a significant part of the farming and construction labor force would have inflationary effects on those markets...

More evil than illegals killing innocent people?

[Motorin']

17 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

1. I think that number is wrong. 
 

2. You’re still too far downstream of the problem.

 

You’re talking about people who truly believe their lives and their families lives are in danger. They are leaving everything behind to take a dangerous journey just to find opportunity. You can build a big wall, and they will still come. You can say that they won’t get any assistance, and they will still come. They are coming, so the question is: what do you do about that?
 

They’re not sitting around their kitchen table thinking “well, we probably need to leave our lives behind to risk our lives to get out of here, but I just heard we don’t get a handout when we get there so I guess we’ll just stay here and die.”

 

You're picking one possible scenario that simply can't be true in all cases.

 

And it's impossible for you to know that the lives of each person were at stake. 

 

How many of them simply have limited skills or nothing to offer a job market and are coming here for welfare and free housing? 

 

You admit that's possible, right? What's the threshold on low/ no skill people seeking welfare that the US should allow to just walk across the border in a given year? 

 

9 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

More evil than illegals killing innocent people?

 

You shouldn't care about that because those very same people could have been killed by an American at a higher rate than they were murdered by an undocumented immigrant. 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

4 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

You're picking one possible scenario that simply can't be true in all cases.

 

And it's impossible for you to know that the lives of each person were at stake. 

 

How many of them simply have limited skills or nothing to offer a job market and are coming here for welfare and free housing? 

 

You admit that's possible, right? What's the threshold on low/ no skill people seeking welfare that the US should allow to just walk across the border in a given year? 

This is why I previously stated that we need to properly fund the immigration courts. 
 

If adjudication of asylum claims takes days to weeks instead of years, it’ll both provide for a proper legal way for people with real asylum claims to come in while deterring people without proper claims from claiming asylum and taking advantage of a years long adjudication process.

[Motorin']

5 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

This is why I previously stated that we need to properly fund the immigration courts. 
 

If adjudication of asylum claims takes days to weeks instead of years, it’ll both provide for a proper legal way for people with real asylum claims to come in while deterring people without proper claims from claiming asylum and taking advantage of a years long adjudication process.

 

Sounds like you agree with Vivek Ramaswami. He thinks we need to simultaneously make it easier for immigrants and asylum seekers to come in the front door while preventing mass migration by people sneaking over the border and skipping the line. 

 

Or do you think there should be open borders, because closed borders is a form of right wing nationalism? 

[B-Man]

 

 

Would you be shocked that the media suffocated this very unpleasant news about Kamala in their broadcasts? 

 

 

"NBC Nightly News" was the only prime time network news program on Friday night to report on bombshell new Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) data revealing that over 400,000 illegals immigrants convicted of crimes are currently free in the United States. 

 

Both ABC's "World News Tonight," and the "CBS Evening News" failed to mention any of the findings that ICE presented in a letter to Congress this week that was reported by a variety of other outlets on Friday. They simply covered Vice President Kamala Harris’ trip to Arizona’s border with Mexico and touted her policy proposals for immigration. 

 

Only NBC News' evening newscast mentioned the letter, though it didn’t cover the entire scope of the findings – only reporting that "more than 13,000 migrants previously convicted of homicide are currently free inside the U.S." 

 

Fox News Digital reported on Friday that ICE sent a letter to Rep. Tony Gonzales, R-Texas, and other members of Congress this week, showing that as of July 2024, there are 425,431 convicted criminal migrants – and 222,141 with pending criminal charges – who have crossed the U.S. southern border illegally and who are awaiting removal from the country. 

 

According to the report, none of these criminal migrants are being held in detention, even those who have received their final orders of removal or those undergoing removal procedures.

 

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/09/30/do-you-care-to-know-what-news-networks-did-with-that-damning-ice-report-n2645489

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

Sounds like you agree with Vivek Ramaswami. He thinks we need to simultaneously make it easier for immigrants and asylum seekers to come in the front door while preventing mass migration by people sneaking over the border and skipping the line. 

 

Or do you think there should be open borders, because closed borders is a form of right wing nationalism? 

I don’t know the details of Ramaswami’s plan but I agree with the general gist of it based on your summation of it. 
 

Our legal immigration system is deeply broken and flawed, causing people who could otherwise come here legally to attempt illegal means. It also offers people with no valid asylum claim to enter into the country and live here for years while their claim winds its way through the system. 

That has to be fixed. And doing so will both allow people to come here legally more easily while shutting off a popular pathway for illegal immigration. 

I don’t think there should be open borders and I honestly don’t know anyone who does. I just prefer fixes at the border that actually work instead of spending billions on a big dumb wall. 

Edited September 30 by ChiGoose