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  On 9/25/2024 at 1:54 PM, thenorthremembers said:

I find it hypocritical because my disapproval of abortion comes from my Christian values.  My dislike of the death penalty comes from the same place specifically the verses outlined in John 8 and Romans 3.   That said, the old testament is full of examples of the death penalty being just.

 

Because I believe the soul of a person can be saved by accepting Jesus Christ I don't think it's up to someone else to take their life before they are given that opportunity regardless of sin.

 

I also don't believe a person who commits murder should ever be released into a free society regardless of a potential religious conversion.

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Do you think this fellow Marcellus was not given this chance in the 20 years since his conviction? Not to mention the years before that?

 

Paul explains in the very same book that God calls the state to act as an "avenger" and a "terror" to those who do evil.

 

John 8 (presumably you're speaking of the possibly apocryphal story of the woman caught in adultery) describes Jesus rightly seeing the situation as a trap laid by his political and religious enemies, not a discourse against capital punishment. The mandate of the death penalty predates Moses and, in fact, even the founding of the people of Israel in the chronology of the Bible. 

 

This sort of sad sack, wimpy, "Enlightenment" focused Christianity is exactly why there are very few men my age and younger, even those to the right of me, who would waste their time attending church on Sunday. Why on earth would I go to church to hear the same drivel (feminism, anti-racism, tolerance, multicult, criminal justice "reform") that was heaped on me through over a decade of public "education?" I know that sort of garbage is all lies, and if a so-called "pastor" would lie about these things, who knows what greater matters (matters supposedly about the fate of the eternal soul) he's lying about?

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SCBills
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Not sure if he’s innocent or not, but the death penalty should be abolished. 

thenorthremembers
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I am a pro-life conservative and find it hypocritical to be against abortion and for the death penalty.    All for righteous anger and defending one's self but vengeance should not be politicized.

LeviF
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You once again show your ignorance of what is supposedly your own religion, regardless of what your false pontiff might state.    In Christianity, the death penalty is required of the state by

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  On 9/25/2024 at 2:19 PM, LeviF said:

Why on earth would I go to church to hear the same drivel (feminism, anti-racism, tolerance, multicult, criminal justice "reform") that was heaped on me through over a decade of public "education?

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Maybe because these are positions Jesus taught.  talk about a sad sack.  What do you believe in other than yourself?  Do you even believe strongly in that?  And there's B-man, grad of conservative, Catholic St Bonaventure, giving you a green check mark and qouting the KJV version of the bible.  Where's his "cast the first stone" quote now (it is directly applicable here).  At least you're honest in your nihilism.

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  On 9/25/2024 at 2:47 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Maybe because these are positions Jesus taught

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They really aren't, even leaving aside the Christian principle that Jesus is God, and therefore inspired the entire Bible. Whoever catechized you should probably be excommunicated just because they produced you as a son in the "faith."

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They really aren't, even leaving aside the Christian principle that Jesus is God, and therefore inspired the entire Bible. Whoever catechized you should probably be excommunicated just because they produced you as a son in the "faith."

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They really are.  Not going to waste my time quoting scripture to illustrate each of these positions since you are likely aware and reject them despite their clarity.  Whoever radicalized you and made you emotionally and spiritually bankrupt did an excellent job but did you no favors.  and another nice green check mark from theologically conflicted B man.

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They really aren't, even leaving aside the Christian principle that Jesus is God, and therefore inspired the entire Bible. Whoever catechized you should probably be excommunicated just because they produced you as a son in the "faith."

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Hoax.  You chuck a lot of stones.  Might want to dust of John 8 on that issue. 

  On 9/25/2024 at 2:19 PM, LeviF said:

 

Do you think this fellow Marcellus was not given this chance in the 20 years since his conviction? Not to mention the years before that?

 

Paul explains in the very same book that God calls the state to act as an "avenger" and a "terror" to those who do evil.

 

John 8 (presumably you're speaking of the possibly apocryphal story of the woman caught in adultery) describes Jesus rightly seeing the situation as a trap laid by his political and religious enemies, not a discourse against capital punishment. The mandate of the death penalty predates Moses and, in fact, even the founding of the people of Israel in the chronology of the Bible. 

 

This sort of sad sack, wimpy, "Enlightenment" focused Christianity is exactly why there are very few men my age and younger, even those to the right of me, who would waste their time attending church on Sunday. Why on earth would I go to church to hear the same drivel (feminism, anti-racism, tolerance, multicult, criminal justice "reform") that was heaped on me through over a decade of public "education?" I know that sort of garbage is all lies, and if a so-called "pastor" would lie about these things, who knows what greater matters (matters supposedly about the fate of the eternal soul) he's lying about?

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Anti-racism is all lies?  At least you’re honest about where you are.  And this is why MAGA must be stopped.  Weaponizing a bastardized version of Christianity—to the extent it is characterized as Christianity—is one the most disgusting things about MAGA.  Have fun with your golden calf. 

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He was innocent. The prosecution even moved to vacate the man’s conviction. Yet the governor and the sick conservatives on the Supreme Court went ahead and did it anyway. Sick people.

 

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I don't know about declarations of innocence, but questions about the prosecution of the case certainly exist.  I'm against the death penalty, so either way it's a shame it was carried out in this case. 

 

Btw, it seems as of you're suggesting that the system is rigged to benefit some at the expense of others.   Some people feels that is heresy when applied to other situations and sliding application of justice. 

 

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  On 9/25/2024 at 4:13 PM, Westside said:

Gotta love these leftists! They jump for joy at the thought of killing a baby but disprove of killing a scumbag murderer. 
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Hoax. 

  On 9/25/2024 at 3:53 AM, SCBills said:

Not sure if he’s innocent or not, but the death penalty should be abolished. 

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This.  Too many mistakes.  One mistake, frankly, is too many in that context.  And it’s applied disproportionately on the basis of race.  

 

That’s not even getting into the morality of it, which is suspect in my view.  

 

 

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  On 9/25/2024 at 3:32 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I don't know about declarations of innocence, but questions about the prosecution of the case certainly exist.  I'm against the death penalty, so either way it's a shame it was carried out in this case. 

 

Btw, it seems as of you're suggesting that the system is rigged to benefit some at the expense of others.   Some people feels that is heresy when applied to other situations and sliding application of justice. 

 

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I am not suggesting that at all, I’m suggesting that the officials ignored pleas from all sides to stay the execution and chose to do it anyways. I think that’s unacceptable for a first world nation. 

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I am not suggesting that at all, I’m suggesting that the officials ignored pleas from all sides to stay the execution and chose to do it anyways. I think that’s unacceptable for a first world nation. 

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Well, actually, "all sides" is inaccurate here.  One of the sides involved would be the people ultimately entrusted with decision-making here, and it seems they rejected the arguments made by other stakeholders and went with the results determined by the jury.  

 

That said, I misunderstood your perspective and thought you were of the mind the process was unfair and weighted against the defendant. I assumed that because you twice mentioned that those ultimately in charge were "sick".   

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Not sure if he’s innocent or not, but the death penalty should be abolished. 

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I don't feel the death penalty is a bad thing in certain circumstances, but with that being said i would think that "proof beyond a shadow of a doubt" for sure should have been a thought in this & it's total BS that this has happened if there wasn't proof beyond a shadow of a doubt or the slightest doubt in any way !!

 

The judge & Governor should have some discipline that goes back on them seeing as they didn't have that kind of proof and allowed this any way . But the worst that will happen the people through their taxes will have to pay the family in a wrongful death or civil suit and those that didn't stop it will walk free living their lives .

 

There are mistakes then there is total neglect and that's what this sounds like & if someone doesn't send a loud message as far as being disciplined for this there's a better chance that this can happen again .

 

 

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I don't feel the death penalty is a bad thing in certain circumstances, but with that being said i would think that "proof beyond a shadow of a doubt" for sure should have been a thought in this & it's total BS that this has happened if there wasn't proof beyond a shadow of a doubt or the slightest doubt in any way !!

 

The judge & Governor should have some discipline that goes back on them seeing as they didn't have that kind of proof and allowed this any way . But the worst that will happen the people through their taxes will have to pay the family in a wrongful death or civil suit and those that didn't stop it will walk free living their lives .

 

There are mistakes then there is total neglect and that's what this sounds like & if someone doesn't send a loud message as far as being disciplined for this there's a better chance that this can happen again .

 

 

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I know you didn’t mean this intentionally, but what good is discipline to the guy who’s dead.  Maybe this defendant did “it,” maybe he didn’t.  I have no idea.  What I do know is that there are too many death row exonerations in this country, and too much racial imbalance in the application of the death penalty, for me consider state-sponsored killing acceptable.  

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