f0neguy Posted September 27 Posted September 27 In Ed’s defense, we have no idea what he’s supposed to be doing each play. Are all four D-linemen rushing all out or does Ed maintain a spot protecting the middle of the field? Considering the pressure our DL is applying as a group, I’d think they’re all doing their jobs. 6 1 2 Quote
HappyDays Posted September 27 Posted September 27 1 minute ago, f0neguy said: In Ed’s defense, we have no idea what he’s supposed to be doing each play. Are all four D-linemen rushing all out or does Ed maintain a spot protecting the middle of the field? Considering the pressure our DL is applying as a group, I’d think they’re all doing their jobs. I would think Daquan Jones is the one protecting the middle of the field. He's the one taking on all of the double teams and he's still managing to exceed Oliver's pass rush win rate. I know the past couple years Oliver's pass rush win rate has been very high but so far this year it's just not been good. And that stat matches the eye test for me. I'm seeing him get swallowed up most of the time. I see our pass rush win on the edges a lot but very infrequently up the middle unless it's on the rare LB blitz or something like that. Hopefully he steps up his game because it's really the only noticeable weakness on our defense so far. Quote
Rockinon Posted September 27 Posted September 27 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Wasn't sure where to put this, but we need more from Ed Oliver: He's getting doubled less than any DT in the league right now but he's winning his pass rush reps at a below average rate. Even Tim Settle has a higher win rate. I know he made a couple big plays against Miami but otherwise he has been kind of invisible to my eye. Daquan Jones, on the other hand, is killing it. 2 Quote
Scott7975 Posted September 27 Posted September 27 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Wasn't sure where to put this, but we need more from Ed Oliver: He's getting doubled less than any DT in the league right now but he's winning his pass rush reps at a below average rate. Even Tim Settle has a higher win rate. I know he made a couple big plays against Miami but otherwise he has been kind of invisible to my eye. Seems that has been his career. Has some big moments but otherwise lackluster. 1 Quote
finn Posted September 27 Posted September 27 52 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: That way of thinking is why Las Vegas put a "previous spins" electronic sign next to all of its roulette tables. It gets people to think, "it just spun 4 blacks in a row, the next one HAS to be red"! Yes, but the bias goes both ways, right? A lot of gamblers will think, "It just spun 4 blacks in a row, the next one HAS to be black again!" Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted September 27 Posted September 27 1 hour ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: Love this show!!! 2 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted September 27 Posted September 27 1 minute ago, finn said: Yes, but the bias goes both ways, right? A lot of gamblers will think, "It just spun 4 blacks in a row, the next one HAS to be black again!" Of course! In Vegas they just want you to bet more. The more you bet, the more they eventually win. Both scenarios we just talked about are "illogical", but that is a human trait to think I know better. 1 Quote
gonzo1105 Posted September 27 Posted September 27 56 minutes ago, f0neguy said: In Ed’s defense, we have no idea what he’s supposed to be doing each play. Are all four D-linemen rushing all out or does Ed maintain a spot protecting the middle of the field? Considering the pressure our DL is applying as a group, I’d think they’re all doing their jobs. To me it was pretty obvious in week 1, they were focused on a contained rush against Kyler Murray more than getting upfield trying to get after him. That was all 4 of them. In week 2 against the Dolphins, I think they were trying to get in Tua's face as much as they could. 1 Quote
Special K Posted September 27 Posted September 27 I wonder if Curtis Samuel has been playing the Lamar Jackson role in practice this week?? 1 Quote
Rubes Posted September 27 Posted September 27 58 minutes ago, Rockinon said: Daquan Jones, on the other hand, is killing it. Not sure I'd say exactly that. DaQuon is clearly getting more double teams, but his win rate is only slightly higher than Ed's. Now, that does imply that DaQuon is doing better than Ed because he's winning a bit more often against more guys, but I don't think I'd look at that graph and think DaQuon is "killing it." All that said, I'm very happy how DaQuon has been playing. Pretty happy with Ed, too, if I'm being honest. Quote
stevewin Posted September 27 Posted September 27 19 minutes ago, Special K said: I wonder if Curtis Samuel has been playing the Lamar Jackson role in practice this week?? Should have signed McKittrick this week for that 😛 3 Quote
Success Posted September 27 Posted September 27 Coleman had a good game 1, and I loved the TD last week. I'm now ready for a true breakout game. Quote
Rockinon Posted September 27 Posted September 27 14 minutes ago, Rubes said: Not sure I'd say exactly that. DaQuon is clearly getting more double teams, but his win rate is only slightly higher than Ed's. Now, that does imply that DaQuon is doing better than Ed because he's winning a bit more often against more guys, but I don't think I'd look at that graph and think DaQuon is "killing it." All that said, I'm very happy how DaQuon has been playing. Pretty happy with Ed, too, if I'm being honest. Taking on 600lbs of OL blockers compared to Ed only taking on 300lbs percentage wise and still applying more pressure is absolutely killing it. Having that much beef to contend with regularly is no small feat. Quote
Rubes Posted September 27 Posted September 27 8 minutes ago, Rockinon said: Taking on 600lbs of OL blockers compared to Ed only taking on 300lbs percentage wise and still applying more pressure is absolutely killing it. Having that much beef to contend with regularly is no small feat. He's taking on a lot more, but it's not like he's got a great win percentage, so I'm not sure how you conclude that's "killing it." He's doing his job, basically, which is to occupy blockers. He's not necessarily beating them. Like I said, he's doing better than Ed, but that's not the same as killing it. Quote
NewEra Posted September 27 Posted September 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I would think Daquan Jones is the one protecting the middle of the field. He's the one taking on all of the double teams and he's still managing to exceed Oliver's pass rush win rate. I know the past couple years Oliver's pass rush win rate has been very high but so far this year it's just not been good. And that stat matches the eye test for me. I'm seeing him get swallowed up most of the time. I see our pass rush win on the edges a lot but very infrequently up the middle unless it's on the rare LB blitz or something like that. Hopefully he steps up his game because it's really the only noticeable weakness on our defense so far. Ed Oliver has been a “noticeable weakness”? Or he’s just been “invisible to your eye”? Which is it, because they are 2 completely different things. Edited September 27 by NewEra 1 1 Quote
Rockinon Posted September 27 Posted September 27 52 minutes ago, Rubes said: Not sure I'd say exactly that. DaQuon is clearly getting more double teams, but his win rate is only slightly higher than Ed's. Now, that does imply that DaQuon is doing better than Ed because he's winning a bit more often against more guys, but I don't think I'd look at that graph and think DaQuon is "killing it." All that said, I'm very happy how DaQuon has been playing. Pretty happy with Ed, too, if I'm being honest. Oh really? How many DTs league wide are winning more and how many of them are getting double teamed more? Quote
Scott7975 Posted September 27 Posted September 27 (edited) 3 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: Full segment for people that want to watch it. It's a great watch IMO. Edited September 27 by Scott7975 3 Quote
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