Josh Allen vs Patrick Mahomes: The changing of the guard?

[Mat68]

If Allen wins the Super Bowl this season he has a claim for best Qb in the league.  Allen has been the more productive player for about 2 seasons.  Mahomes had the success in the playoffs.  The post season is the only argument currently for Mahomes and something Allen and the team hasn't accomplished. 

[Prospector]

On 9/23/2024 at 7:39 PM, gonzo1105 said:

Nope not until Josh beats him when it counts. 

That would definitely be better than beating him where it counts😃

[mjt328]

As a Bills fan, I understand the desire to put Allen above Mahomes.  But an unbiased person just cannot do that.

 

Our guy took a couple years to develop and didn't fully break-out as an elite player until 2000.  By that point, Mahomes was already a Super Bowl champion, MVP and 2x All-Pro.  Since then, they have been statistically neck/neck.  But Mahomes has also won two additional Super Bowls and another MVP... defeating Allen/Buffalo in the playoffs three times along the way.

 

Both guys have been individually great in the playoffs.  But Allen has been pulled down by the team around him (coaching, defense, weapons) in the biggest moments.  Mahomes has found a way to overcome them.  That has to be a factor.

 

Edited Tuesday at 08:00 PM by mjt328

[ddaryl]

18 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

 

Our guy took a couple years to develop and didn't fully break-out as an elite player until 2000.  

 

 

 

I'm thinking you meant 2020

[Punch]

38 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

As a Bills fan, I understand the desire to put Allen above Mahomes.  But an unbiased person just cannot do that.

 

Our guy took a couple years to develop and didn't fully break-out as an elite player until 2000.  By that point, Mahomes was already a Super Bowl champion, MVP and 2x All-Pro.  Since then, they have been statistically neck/neck.  But Mahomes has also won two additional Super Bowls and another MVP... defeating Allen/Buffalo in the playoffs three times along the way.

 

Both guys have been individually great in the playoffs.  But Allen has been pulled down by the team around him (coaching, defense, weapons) in the biggest moments.  Mahomes has found a way to overcome them.  That has to be a factor.

 

 

19 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

I'm thinking you meant 2020

A 4 year old Josh Allen is still no worse than a top 25 QB in the NFL.

[ToGoGo]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

As a Bills fan, I understand the desire to put Allen above Mahomes.  But an unbiased person just cannot do that.

 

Our guy took a couple years to develop and didn't fully break-out as an elite player until 2000.  By that point, Mahomes was already a Super Bowl champion, MVP and 2x All-Pro.  Since then, they have been statistically neck/neck.  But Mahomes has also won two additional Super Bowls and another MVP... defeating Allen/Buffalo in the playoffs three times along the way.

 

Both guys have been individually great in the playoffs.  But Allen has been pulled down by the team around him (coaching, defense, weapons) in the biggest moments.  Mahomes has found a way to overcome them.  That has to be a factor.

 

 

Everything you said except the last part makes sense. 

 

I've come to the conclusion that Allen vs Mahomes is simply to be determined. It's neck and neck and the differences between them (the Super Bowls) have been a team factor, and not an individual factor. Fans REALLY struggle to separate the two. Like there is a real cognitive dissonance battle in people's heads, likely from media programming. 

 

But the answer is simple. Allen is only 28 and still progressing. Mahomes has stagnated AT BEST. Let's see what happens the next 2-3 years. People are too quick to the trigger on this one. 

 

 

[Kelly to Allen]

Allen has to beat mahomes in the playoffs and then win the super bowl. 

 

It's how it should be 

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

Everything you said except the last part makes sense. 

 

I've come to the conclusion that Allen vs Mahomes is simply to be determined. It's neck and neck and the differences between them (the Super Bowls) have been a team factor, and not an individual factor. Fans REALLY struggle to separate the two. Like there is a real cognitive dissonance battle in people's heads, likely from media programming. 

 

But the answer is simple. Allen is only 28 and still progressing. Mahomes has stagnated AT BEST. Let's see what happens the next 2-3 years. People are too quick to the trigger on this one. 

 

 

Who is on your list as the best QB’s of all time? Maybe top 5….