Xavier Worthy: So far, not much more than a gadget guy

[The Jokeman]

5 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Well no that would be Ladd McConkey who the Bills passed on for Coleman 

Guess what, KC passed on McConkey too. As did the Chargers did in Round 1. Again you can't post stats without relevance to opportunity. 

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

One of the things that’s baffling in here is the argument, “he was targeted more.” I’m like, “don’t you think he was targeted more because he was open more?”

What’s very funny to me is that Coleman had probably the least competitive WR group he will ever have in Buffalo (hopefully). His competition for targets was a disappointing TE, a slot guy, and a gaggle of MVS, Curtis Samuel and Mack Hollins.

 

He may be WR4 in target share next year. He should have been WR1 or WR2 by default this year.

[djp14150]

Worth basically did….

 

1. go derp

2. run outside the numbers routes

3. WR screens and other WR run options.

 

 

[FireChans]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

Guess what, KC passed on McConkey too. As did the Chargers did in Round 1. Again you can't post stats without relevance to opportunity. 

Imagine the opportunity Coleman could’ve had if his only competition on the boundary was a lifelong gunner/run blocking WR.

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

What’s very funny to me is that Coleman had probably the least competitive WR group he will ever have in Buffalo (hopefully). His competition for targets was a disappointing TE, a slot guy, and a gaggle of MVS, Curtis Samuel and Mack Hollins.

 

He may be WR4 in target share next year. He should have been WR1 or WR2 by default this year.

Cuz his HC has a history of letting rookies start. Righhhhhhhhht.

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Imagine the opportunity Coleman could’ve had if his only competition on the boundary was a lifelong gunner/run blocking WR.

Compared to Worthy who was competing against who once Rice went down? 

[Kirby Jackson]

9 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

KC used Worthy like we used Shakir. Keon by contrast was similar to way KC uses Justin Watson.

Who is better right now, Worthy or Keon?

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

Cuz his HC has a history of letting rookies start. Righhhhhhhhht.

Compared to Worthy who was competing against who once Rice went down? 

Um, Worthy had way more yards and also didn’t have much competition on the boundary. Thats the point.
 

Coleman also had 12 starts. He started week 1. He played 1 game that he didn’t start all year. 
 

Was the intention of your post to support my point?

[Kirby Jackson]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Andy Reid had perine running open on us lol

 

That's the thing though.. they use the first round pick on him.. and he's been actively a part of their scheme all year... With a guy who draws up the best plays in the world 

 

Josh Allen threw the least amount of times in his full-time career since his second season.. mahomes had a hundred more passing attempts 

 

Equal that out and give him 13 more targets.. well that's 130 more yards 

 

We just don't throw the ball a lot

 

If keon has 80 targets next year and catches 52 for 18.5 yards are reception and goes for 960 and 8-10 tds

 

And that actually is realistic , that would be great for our offense

 

I 100% agree that those numbers would be sensational (and realistic on the high end). At the same time, Worthy looks like the next Desean Jackson and Ladd is better than both. The Bills went into the draft with a MASSIVE need at the top of the depth chart. They traded down twice and drafted a guy that caught 10 of his last 29 targets. That’s a huge fail at this point. The book certainly isn’t written but to this point it is NOT going well. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Um, Worthy had way more yards and also didn’t have much competition on the boundary. Thats the point.
 

Coleman also had 12 starts. He started week 1. He played 1 game that he didn’t start all year. 
 

Was the intention of your post to support my point?

Way more? Worthy had like more 80 yards more than Coleman in the regular season. 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I 100% agree that those numbers would be sensational (and realistic on the high end). At the same time, Worthy looks like the next Desean Jackson and Ladd is better than both. The Bills went I to the draft with a MASSIVE need at the top of the depth chart. They traded down twice and drafted a guy that caught 10 of his last 29 targets. That’s a huge fail at this point. The book certainly isn’t written but to this point it is NOT going well. 

I want to move up for Luther burden if he drops a little 

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I 100% agree that those numbers would be sensational (and realistic on the high end). At the same time, Worthy looks like the next Desean Jackson and Ladd is better than both. The Bills went I to the draft with a MASSIVE need at the top of the depth chart. They traded down twice and drafted a guy that caught 10 of his last 29 targets. That’s a huge fail at this point. The book certainly isn’t written but to this point it is NOT going well. 

Is it a fail or a guy that wasn't fully recovered from a broken wrist? 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

Way more? Worthy had like more 80 yards more than Coleman in the regular season. 

Coleman’s 2024 season - 16 games, 33 touches, 587 yards 4 TDs
 

Worthy’s 2024 season - 20 games, 101 touches, 1037 yards, 12 TDs

 

Ahhhh it’s so hard to know who was better in 2024!

[The Jokeman]

Just now, FireChans said:

Coleman’s 2024 season - 16 games, 33 touches, 587 yards 4 TDs
 

Worthy’s 2024 season - 20 games, 101 touches, 1037 yards, 12 TDs

 

Ahhhh it’s so hard to know who was better in 2024!

I guess if Keon had 3x more touches he could have had 1731 yards and 12 TDs. But I know Worthy's better.

[FireChans]

Just now, The Jokeman said:

I guess if Keon had 3x more touches he could have had 1731 yards and 12 TDs. But I know Worthy's better.

Keon isn’t good enough to have 3x more touches. Obviously. As evidenced by him having 8 targets in the playoffs and ending up with 3 catches for 22 yards lol.

 

But hey, don’t take it from me, take it from the guy who drafted him. 
 

“I wish he had finished the season stronger,” Beane said in his Thursday morning press conference

 

“I would say probably was a little disappointed in the return from the injury,” he said about Coleman’s final six games. “I did not see the same player down the stretch from a physicality, some of the things that he needs to use his size.”

 

Make sure you write a letter to One Bills Drive and let the GM who drafted him with this first pick that he was wrong for being disappointed in Coleman’s performance and that he was actually awesome. 

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I want to move up for Luther burden if he drops a little 

That has been one of my thoughts too (although @GunnerBill doesn’t love him). 

10 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Is it a fail or a guy that wasn't fully recovered from a broken wrist? 

Why not just answer the question? Which player is better right now? 

[Success]

I'm really looking forward to this thread being bumped periodically for the next decade or so.

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That has been one of my thoughts too (although @GunnerBill doesn’t love him). 

Why not just answer the question? Which player is better right now? 

 

And to be clear if it's going up like 2 or 3 spots (an Elam / Kincaid trade up) if he gets to 27 or something, sure, I'm all in. But I think his floor is Pittsburgh at #20 and I don't think he is of a the "worth giving away a second round pick" level in terms of both his ability and his fit for this team. 

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Some of the mental gymnastics being played here to downplay Worthy and pump up Coleman are hilarious. The Bills made a mistake. Is Worthy going to be great? Who knows. Is Coleman? Who knows. Which one is better now and more likely to succeed? Worthy and that’s not up for debate at this point. Hopefully it is up for debate in the future. 

 

As I've said Kirby, the mistake cannot be boiled down to a single decision made 9 months ago. The mistake was to never make it a point to prioritize the WR room after 2020. It was a series of repeated mistakes that got us where we are today. From 2021-2024, Beane drafted exactly 1 WR on day one or two. That's unconscionable with Allen as the QB. It led us to a point where they were backed into a corner and absolutely had to draft a WR last year regardless of what their BPA board looked like. I can give Beane some grace for individual evaluation failures because every GM has those on his resume, but I can't forgive him for overarching philosophical mistakes that span multiple years. Here we are again backed into a corner with only 3 WRs on the roster heading into 2025 and once again he will need to draft one relatively high no matter what.

 

Edited 7 hours ago by HappyDays

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That has been one of my thoughts too (although @GunnerBill doesn’t love him). 

Why not just answer the question? Which player is better right now? 

Fine. Worthy is better right now but I'm not disappointed with Keon as some are on this board. Did he come in as a rookie and be the alpha #1 we all wanted? No but he did display some better speed than I expected based on predraft process. He also showed playmaking ability when given a chance in space. Again I liken him to a Muhsin Mohammed. 

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

As I've said Kirby, the mistake cannot be boiled down to a single decision made 9 months ago. The mistake was to never make it a point to prioritize the WR room after 2020. It was a series of repeated mistakes that got us where we are today. From 2021-2024, Beane drafted exactly 1 WR on day one or two. That's unconscionable with Allen as the QB. It led us to a point where they were backed into a corner and absolutely had to draft a WR last year regardless of what their BPA board looked like. I can give Beane some grace for individual evaluation failures because every GM has those on his resume, but I can't forgive him for overarching philosophical mistakes that span multiple years. Here we are again backed into a corner with only 3 WRs on the roster heading into 2025 and once again he will need to draft one relatively high no matter what.

 

You can say that, and you have a fair point but the other point is that WR would still be glaring need in 2025 even if we had pulled the trigger on a BTJ trade, but we would all feel much better about the WR group in general.

 

You can give a guy grace on individual failures but individual successes make all the difference.