Xavier Worthy: So far, not much more than a gadget guy

[Cray51]

Worthy will at best be a decent #2.  He is mecole Hardman with better hands.   I still don’t expect much, unless Rashee Rice become that premier slot guy that frees up Worthy.

 

KC will have a lot of roster turnover this year, it’ll be interesting to see where they go

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Interesting thing I keep hearing from Bills media is the Chiefs stole Trent McDuffie from the Bills. There’s people that say they were 100% set on McDuffie.

 

Always the Chiefs. 

Some posters claim the Bills didn’t want McDuffie, but the fact that the Chiefs jumped the Bills to grab him is telling in my opinion.

 

Regardless, it looks bad either way. The options are only:

 

1) The Bills wanted McDuffie and watched as the Chiefs outmaneuvered them.

 

or

 

2) The Bills wanted Elam over McDuffie, which is a massive scouting blunder.

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

31 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Some posters claim the Bills didn’t want McDuffie, but the fact that the Chiefs jumped the Bills to grab him is telling in my opinion.

 

Regardless, it looks bad either way. The options are only:

 

1) The Bills wanted McDuffie and watched as the Chiefs outmaneuvered them.

 

or

 

2) The Bills wanted Elam over McDuffie, which is a massive scouting blunder.

 

 

Chris Brown says it all the time on One Bills Live that they were taking McDuffie. I don’t know why he’s always saying though.

[Brian Higgins hair]

On 9/23/2024 at 12:30 PM, Logic said:

I pounded the "draft Xavier Worthy" drum loudly and repeatedly, and then griped about it just as loudly after the fact when the Bills let the Chiefs take him instead. I figured it's only fair, then, to point out that so far, Xavier Worthy has been little more than a gadget receiver in Kansas City. 

Now, the two caveats I'll give are this: One, Worthy is obviously only three games into his rookie season and is still acclimating to the NFL. Two, Keon Coleman hasn't exactly been lighting it up either.

Still, as someone who was a big Worthy truther, I would be remiss not to mention that three games into his career, he looks more Mecole Hardman and less Tyreek Hill. That being said, Hill himself had only 593 receiving yards in his first season, so of course things can change and players can evolve. For now, though, with the Chiefs offense looking like it could use a capable WR2, Worthy mostly hasn't been one. Just 17 receiving yards two weeks in a row, and a season low 50% of snaps last night.

The Chiefs could certainly use some explosivity in their offense, too. Patrick Mahomes' aDOT (average depth of target) so far this season is at a career low 5.2. As we saw last night against the Falcons, there wasn't much in the way of productive downfield passing. No one other than Rashee Rice really seemed to be producing much in the passing game. A player as fast and potentially explosive as Worthy, you would think, would be taking the top off the opposing defense and making big plays downfield. So far? Not.

Just thought it was interesting to note, and will be something to keep an eye on throughout the season.
 

 

Keon Coleman..

Absolutely zero separation. Yes, Worthy should have been the guy. Guaranteed separation..

Today, another “swing and a miss” choice Beane. 

[90sBills]

3 hours ago, Cray51 said:

Worthy will at best be a decent #2.  He is mecole Hardman with better hands.   I still don’t expect much, unless Rashee Rice become that premier slot guy that frees up Worthy.

 

KC will have a lot of roster turnover this year, it’ll be interesting to see where they go

Probably back to the AFCCG. 

[Cray51]

9 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Probably back to the AFCCG. 

Honestly, there is a good chance unless Kelce retires they see a minor setback.  Their turnover is relatively strong, and that's after we already know they have weaknesses on their o-line.

[90sBills]

1 minute ago, Cray51 said:

Honestly, there is a good chance unless Kelce retires they see a minor setback.  Their turnover is relatively strong, and that's after we already know they have weaknesses on their o-line.

Yeah I was just being sarcastic. They looked mentally drained when that game got out of hand last night. It’s been a heck of a three year run to play in three Super Bowls. That’s gotta take massive physical and mental tolls. I wouldn’t be surprised if they do take a step back next season. 
 

Kelce looked done. He’s ready for Hollywood. 

[Thrivefourfive]

3 hours ago, Cray51 said:

Worthy will at best be a decent #2.  He is mecole Hardman with better hands.   I still don’t expect much, unless Rashee Rice become that premier slot guy that frees up Worthy.

 

KC will have a lot of roster turnover this year, it’ll be interesting to see where they go

This is wild, respectfully. Hardman? He was a complete bust for the Chefs. His accomplishments, aberration at best. He was given the golden key and lost it.

 

Worthy is a real WR. The bug eye test also tells me that he wants it. Rice and Worthy… what have we done like that??? I’m embarrassed. Especially because we have ass game losers and they have Rice and Worthy, and McDuffie. Maybe Beane should serious he Hot-Seated using this comparison right here. I mean seriously, Coleman, Kincaid and Elam were losing players this AFCCG.
 

So next season the Chiefs are sure to improve Online; use Kelce more sparingly if he’s there; and use Rice and Worthy is ways that we get them 15 more wins next season. Just guessing. Hope no one here thinks the Chiefs are gonna fall apart?! 🤣🤣 

 

But, with Garrett, in the AFCE, the #1 seed is ours. That, I believe. 

[Cray51]

1 hour ago, Thrivefourfive said:

This is wild, respectfully. Hardman? He was a complete bust for the Chefs. His accomplishments, aberration at best. He was given the golden key and lost it.

 

Worthy is a real WR. The bug eye test also tells me that he wants it. Rice and Worthy… what have we done like that??? I’m embarrassed. Especially because we have ass game losers and they have Rice and Worthy, and McDuffie. Maybe Beane should serious he Hot-Seated using this comparison right here. I mean seriously, Coleman, Kincaid and Elam were losing players this AFCCG.
 

So next season the Chiefs are sure to improve Online; use Kelce more sparingly if he’s there; and use Rice and Worthy is ways that we get them 15 more wins next season. Just guessing. Hope no one here thinks the Chiefs are gonna fall apart?! 🤣🤣 

 

But, with Garrett, in the AFCE, the #1 seed is ours. That, I believe. 

Worthy continues to struggle getting off the line and being anything other than 1) A screen/sweep option and 2) Deep threat coverage breaker.  That's not bad - and I dont think he is a waste, but he scored on a busted play where Mahomes made magic happen, and a deep shot against backups in garbage time.  I think he can be a Hollywood Brown type impact, 900 yards and 4-7 TDs in a good year.  But I haven't seen anything that would point to 1,200 yards Tyreek Hill level talent.  The one thing I will say, he looks to be a gamer.  I was worried he would lose confidence when matchups wouldn't go his way, but he seems to be a confident guy who can handle those struggles.

 

Rice didnt play all year and has had legal problems, we call that the Von Miller special... Rice is going to be suspended for a portion of next year too, and you don't even know if he will be back to 100%.  McDuffie was a great pick, and the Chiefs did a great job there.  With that said, they are losing talent this year.  They have $11M in cap, with little restructure ability (can free up maybe another $25M, but not much else), and have GLARING holes at LT and WR.  They have Bolton, Reid, Hollywood Brown, Hopkins, Hardmen, Trey Smith, their LG (now that Thuney is at LT), Wharton, Omenihu all UFAs.  They are a great organization - they will replace guys, but they are going to lose talent.  I don't see them at 15 wins next year unless they expend draft capital or sign vet guys to one year deals who want to try to win.

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

You'll never have a real, physical defense with McDermott. He prioritizes speed over strength.

 

Our DL is so fkn weak man, you rarely see our guys win one on one, let alone 4v5 like the eagles did yesterday.

 

I have zero faith.

 

That is why you need to go get a talent like Garrett or Crosby who are game wreckers whose talent trumps scheme.  We don't need to dismantle the Chiefs to get by them like the Eagles did, we need to get off the field one more time a game instead of a scoring drive becuase Allen and the offense will always keep scoring a ton of points.  

[BigDingus]

7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Interesting thing I keep hearing from Bills media is the Chiefs stole Trent McDuffie from the Bills. There’s people that say they were 100% set on McDuffie.

 

Always the Chiefs. 

 

Maybe that's true, but they definitely didn't steal Mahomes or Worthy from the Bills... We gave them to them 😅

[Man with No Name]

Maybe Keon will pull an Eric Moulds and take a massive step forward. Put in the work to find balls and get in the weight room and make some angry run highlights. look at some highlight videos of Moulds and see how many plays he makes within arms length of the defender. And He was a huge disappointment his first 2 years. 

 

but right now, we lost this one. And the trajectory Moulds had is somewhat rare. maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised next year. A big ole chip on that shoulder can go a long way for some guys. 

[Nephilim17]

Not saying Worthy will be a consistently good player but he's already shown he can be a viable home run threat. Add in the speed on the screens and short dump-offs and he has already proven some value.

Given that the Bills need a field stretcher I don't think the questions about whether we picked the right player (and missed on Worthy) are totally inappropriate. I still liked a trade-up to BTJ but that ship has sailed too.  

[Bills]

13 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

Maybe Keon will pull an Eric Moulds and take a massive step forward. Put in the work to find balls and get in the weight room and make some angry run highlights. look at some highlight videos of Moulds and see how many plays he makes within arms length of the defender. And He was a huge disappointment his first 2 years. 

 

but right now, we lost this one. And the trajectory Moulds had is somewhat rare. maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised next year. A big ole chip on that shoulder can go a long way for some guys. 

 

In NBA lingo, Keon looks a year away from being a year away. 

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Thrivefourfive said:

This is wild, respectfully. Hardman? He was a complete bust for the Chefs. His accomplishments, aberration at best. He was given the golden key and lost it.

 

Worthy is a real WR. The bug eye test also tells me that he wants it. Rice and Worthy… what have we done like that??? I’m embarrassed. Especially because we have ass game losers and they have Rice and Worthy, and McDuffie. Maybe Beane should serious he Hot-Seated using this comparison right here. I mean seriously, Coleman, Kincaid and Elam were losing players this AFCCG.
 

So next season the Chiefs are sure to improve Online; use Kelce more sparingly if he’s there; and use Rice and Worthy is ways that we get them 15 more wins next season. Just guessing. Hope no one here thinks the Chiefs are gonna fall apart?! 🤣🤣 

 

But, with Garrett, in the AFCE, the #1 seed is ours. That, I believe. 

The Chiefs could be in trouble if Kelce retires and if they lose Trey Smith, Nick Bolton, Justin Reid in free agency which is possible. Toss in they clearly have a glaring hole at LT. 

[Thrivefourfive]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

The Chiefs could be in trouble if Kelce retires and if they lose Trey Smith, Nick Bolton, Justin Reid in free agency which is possible. Toss in they clearly have a glaring hole at LT. 

 

Trouble would be Reid. They will not allow themselves “trouble” barring that drastic a change.
 

But Beane needs to get us over them this off season. If he doesn’t, get him gone! 

[frostbitmic]

Worthy is a great deep threat but that isn't the Bills game.

 

The Bills are a grind it out, eat the clock type of team, mainly to keep our Defense off the field.

 

Josh Allen bombing a 70 yard pass down field and having Xavier Worthy run under it and catch it in stride would be a thing of beauty.

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Thrivefourfive said:

 

Trouble would be Reid. They will not allow themselves “trouble” barring that drastic a change.
 

But Beane needs to get us over them this off season. If he doesn’t, get him gone! 

I agree we need to improve this off-season. Clearly we need more pass rush help. The question is at what cost? I mean losing pick #30 and a high pick next year for a guy like Maxx Crosby to me is worth exploring. Myles Garrett at 29 isn't bad either. I'd also see if can add an older guy in free agency like Matt Judon to play the Von role.

2 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Worthy is a great deep threat but that isn't the Bills game.

 

The Bills are a grind it out, eat the clock type of team, mainly to keep our Defense off the field.

 

Josh Allen bombing a 70 yard pass down field and having Xavier Worthy run under it and catch it in stride would be a thing of beauty.

Problem is Worthy hasn't shown to be a consistent deep threat even when he gets short plays his RAC been pedestrian. I'll give him credit for a good rookie season but considering what was around him the Chiefs didn't have much.

[Thrivefourfive]

37 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

Maybe Keon will pull an Eric Moulds and take a massive step forward. Put in the work to find balls and get in the weight room and make some angry run highlights. look at some highlight videos of Moulds and see how many plays he makes within arms length of the defender. And He was a huge disappointment his first 2 years. 

 

but right now, we lost this one. And the trajectory Moulds had is somewhat rare. maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised next year. A big ole chip on that shoulder can go a long way for some guys. 

With what speed? 🤣🤣 Poor Coleman. Keep Moulds away from him. I hope for his confidence’s sake, he never even hears of Eric Moulds. 

14 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I agree we need to improve this off-season. Clearly we need more pass rush help. The question is at what cost? I mean losing pick #30 and a high pick next year for a guy like Maxx Crosby to me is worth exploring. Myles Garrett at 29 isn't bad either. I'd also see if can add an older guy in free agency like Matt Judon to play the Von role.

I really think it’s Garrett or bust. He is superior in every single way to Crosby, AND age is just a number. Miles Garrett will be better than Max Crosby every single year both of them are in the NFL until one of them retires. And everybody here needs to agree with me on this one, okayyyyy

[The Jokeman]

4 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

With what speed? 🤣🤣 Poor Coleman. Keep Moulds away from him. I hope for his confidence’s sake, he never even hears of Eric Moulds. 

I really think it’s Garrett or bust. He is superior in every single way to Crosby, AND age is just a number. Miles Garrett will be better than Max Crosby every single year both of them are in the NFL until one of them retires. And everybody here needs to agree with me on this one, okayyyyy

But for how long will Garrett perform at that level. 29 vs 27 is a big gap in the NFL.