Xavier Worthy: So far, not much more than a gadget guy

[Dr.Sack]

Worthy is a guy who should do well against a soft zone cover team. Thankfully McDermott believes in being multiple and handsy with his D.

[Chaos]

  On 10/24/2024 at 12:26 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Shanahan and McVay.   Reid never takes Jimmy G, Purdy or young Goff to a SB.   They've combined to reach 4 SB's with those guys.  

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We certainly got the right Josh. We might not have gotten the right Sean. 

[JerseyBills]

  On 10/24/2024 at 8:22 AM, Chaos said:

We certainly got the right Josh. We might not have gotten the right Sean. 

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It's easy to pile on McD, obviously the playoff mistakes on D, but he has overall the best record overall since 2020. He'd be hired as a HC probably immediately if 💩 hit the fan. He has developed an elite culture and a consistent winner and hopefully gets over that playoff hump, he deserves it. 

 

I've said many times, think he'll get multiple rings w Josh

[GunnerBill]

  On 10/24/2024 at 9:48 AM, JerseyBills said:

It's easy to pile on McD, obviously the playoff mistakes on D, but he has overall the best record overall since 2020. He'd be hired as a HC probably immediately if 💩 hit the fan. He has developed an elite culture and a consistent winner and hopefully gets over that playoff hump, he deserves it. 

 

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This is true. If he hit the market he would be hired in a New York minute. Now he might be a turn around artist and a culture builder rather than a championship winner. That remains tbc. But he would not be short of job offers. 

[hondo in seattle]

  On 10/24/2024 at 12:26 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Shanahan and McVay.   Reid never takes Jimmy G, Purdy or young Goff to a SB.   They've combined to reach 4 SB's with those guys.  

 

Andy Reid got to one SB in his first 20 seasons as a HC.  Fine HC but the hyperbole about his greatness is kinda' comical.

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You mention two offensive minds ahead of him and I think your choices are legit.  

 

But I don't know about the comical part.   What makes KC special is that they have the best big trio in the NFL: HC/opposite side coordinator/QB.   Reid may not be the best offensive guy or head coach in football but he's high on the list.   And he recruited Spags for the defense and deserves credit there.  Spags could work elsewhere but chooses to work for Reid.  And while Mahomes makes Reid look good I think it's a two-way relationship.  I think Reid has helped Mahomes realize his potential and optimize his skill set.  

 

In 25 years of coaching, Reid's had some good rosters and some crap rosters.  Probability says he should be .500 with perhaps one Lombardi by now.  Instead, he's .647 with 3 Lombardis.   He's made the playoffs in 19 of his 25 years.  

 

And you would think that, after 25 years of doing this, he's gotten pretty good.  Experience typically sharpens skills. 

 

I have no problem with people calling Andy great.  

[BADOLBILZ]

  On 10/25/2024 at 7:27 AM, hondo in seattle said:

 

 

You mention two offensive minds ahead of him and I think your choices are legit.  

 

But I don't know about the comical part.   What makes KC special is that they have the best big trio in the NFL: HC/opposite side coordinator/QB.   Reid may not be the best offensive guy or head coach in football but he's high on the list.   And he recruited Spags for the defense and deserves credit there.  Spags could work elsewhere but chooses to work for Reid.  And while Mahomes makes Reid look good I think it's a two-way relationship.  I think Reid has helped Mahomes realize his potential and optimize his skill set.  

 

In 25 years of coaching, Reid's had some good rosters and some crap rosters.  Probability says he should be .500 with perhaps one Lombardi by now.  Instead, he's .647 with 3 Lombardis.   He's made the playoffs in 19 of his 25 years.  

 

And you would think that, after 25 years of doing this, he's gotten pretty good.  Experience typically sharpens skills. 

 

I have no problem with people calling Andy great.  

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When a coach is being mentioned as the GOAT after it took him 20 years to win a Super Bowl.........yeah, that's comical.   It's a recency bias.      

[hondo in seattle]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:10 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

When a coach is being mentioned as the GOAT after it took him 20 years to win a Super Bowl.........yeah, that's comical.   It's a recency bias.      

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Who's saying he's the GOAT?   I gotta admit, that's crazy talk.  

 

But hanging the "recency bias" label on Reid doesn't change the facts.  He's been a good coach throughout his long career.  And he's won 3 of the past 5 Super Bowls.  I don't think anyone who's followed his career is suprised by his recent success.  Reid finally has the DC and QB he wants.  Give a good offensive head coach a good DC and QB and good things will happen.  

[Jauronimo]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:10 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

When a coach is being mentioned as the GOAT after it took him 20 years to win a Super Bowl.........yeah, that's comical.   It's a recency bias.      

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Anyone who knew an Iggles fan during the Reid years listened to endless rants about game management decisions and choking away wins that would make even the staunchest McD hater feel pretty good about what we got.

[BADOLBILZ]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:31 PM, hondo in seattle said:

 

Who's saying he's the GOAT?   I gotta admit, that's crazy talk.  

 

But hanging the "recency bias" label on Reid doesn't change the facts.  He's been a good coach throughout his long career.  And he's won 3 of the past 5 Super Bowls.  I don't think anyone who's followed his career is suprised by his recent success.  Reid finally has the DC and QB he wants.  Give a good offensive head coach a good DC and QB and good things will happen.  

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Lot's of people?   Google is not that hard to use, budda.😉

 

https://nesn.com/2024/02/could-andy-reid-pass-bill-belichick-in-goat-debate-its-real-possibility/

 

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2023/7/6/23785720/chiefs-andy-reid-patriots-bill-belichick-goat

 

I literally said he's been a very good coach,  too bad the Bills couldn't have gotten him etc..   I said he shouldn't be the GOAT and you are running with that like I said he wasn't good?   You are trying to create a straw man argument for arguments sake.   Not very buddist of you.😂

[finn]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:10 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

When a coach is being mentioned as the GOAT after it took him 20 years to win a Super Bowl.........yeah, that's comical.   It's a recency bias.      

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No, I agree with Hondo, except I'd go further and argue the stars really aligned in KC, with a top-quality HC, DC, QB matched with two future HOF players already on the roster and an excellent GM drafting well (or the most part). I don't think any of these individuals, or even any pair or trio, would do nearly as well as they have in combination.

 

I mean, Mahomes is struggling with a lousy WR corps. Give him a weak offensive coordinator, too, and you think he would be considered the best quarterback in the game? I doubt it. 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:50 PM, finn said:

No, I agree with Hondo, except I'd go further and argue the stars really aligned in KC, with a top-quality HC, DC, QB matched with two future HOF players already on the roster and an excellent GM drafting well (or the most part). I don't think any of these individuals, or even any pair or trio, would do nearly as well as they have in combination.

 

I mean, Mahomes is struggling with a lousy WR corps. Give him a weak offensive coordinator, too, and you think he would be considered the best quarterback in the game? I doubt it. 

 

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You agree with what that I did not, specifically?   I said Reid is a very good HC but it's laughable to call him the GOAT when it took him 20 years to win a SB.   Hondo said it wasn't laughable.........but then he said it's "crazy talk"?   I have no idea what the difference is(and neither does he).  

 

You guys are either just disagreeing to be disagreeable or you got sucked in by @hondo in seattle trolling technique of pretending something was said that that was not said in order to elicit contrarian responses.   One thing you can always count on is that people will jump into a thread and not read the prior posts.   So that being the case.......I could post a reply to you saying you are wrong for believing Reid was the GOAT and some people would think you said that.   That's the nature of a message board it's VERY easy for haters to steer a false narrative.  @hondo in seattle is a very confused man.   He wants to be a hater but he wants to be a buddhist.  I mean buddist.  It's amusing.

 

[Success]

I remember fans were so panicky after he had a couple of splashy plays in the opener.

 

The trade & the picks can't be fully evaluated for 2-3 years. But give me Coleman all day, every day.

 

[hondo in seattle]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:37 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Lot's of people?   Google is not that hard to use, budda.😉

 

https://nesn.com/2024/02/could-andy-reid-pass-bill-belichick-in-goat-debate-its-real-possibility/

 

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2023/7/6/23785720/chiefs-andy-reid-patriots-bill-belichick-goat

 

I literally said he's been a very good coach,  too bad the Bills couldn't have gotten him etc..   I said he shouldn't be the GOAT and you are running with that like I said he wasn't good?   You are trying to create a straw man argument for arguments sake.   Not very buddist of you.😂

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As is often the case, you are correct.  This is a straw man argument.  You say that lots of people caim Andy Reid is the GOAT.  Then you attack that argument.  This is a quintessential straw man because virtually no one is claiming Reid is the GOAT.  

 

The links you provided say Reid might eventually get into the GOAT conversation with more Lombardis - which is a reasonable guess.  The second article, written by a Chiefs fan, asserts that Reid will need four more titles to enter GOAT consideration. There aren't many people right now, even in Kansas City, saying Reid's the GOAT.  

 

So I agree with you.  Reid is not the GOAT.  

 

 

[hondo in seattle]

  On 10/25/2024 at 10:52 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You agree with what that I did not, specifically?   I said Reid is a very good HC but it's laughable to call him the GOAT when it took him 20 years to win a SB.   Hondo said it wasn't laughable.........but then he said it's "crazy talk"?   I have no idea what the difference is(and neither does he).  

 

You guys are either just disagreeing to be disagreeable or you got sucked in by @hondo in seattle trolling technique of pretending something was said that that was not said in order to elicit contrarian responses.   One thing you can always count on is that people will jump into a thread and not read the prior posts.   So that being the case.......I could post a reply to you saying you are wrong for believing Reid was the GOAT and some people would think you said that.   That's the nature of a message board it's VERY easy for haters to steer a false narrative.  @hondo in seattle is a very confused man.   He wants to be a hater but he wants to be a buddhist.  I mean buddist.  It's amusing.

 

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I'll make two commitments...

 

(1)   I won't claim to know what you want, think, or feel.  I don't know you.  To pretend I know what goes on inside of you would be dishonest.

 

(2)  I won't make weak attempts at mockery based on religion.  I hope for an America that is better than that.   

 

 

[90sBills]

  On 10/25/2024 at 2:50 PM, finn said:

 

I mean, Mahomes is struggling with a lousy WR corps. Give him a weak offensive coordinator, too, and you think he would be considered the best quarterback in the game? I doubt it. 

 

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Mahomes struggles is so misleading. His skill guys have dropped like flies. Yet he still leads the league with the highest qbr in the 4th quarter and that has helped KC to a 6-0 record. Now that they traded for Dhop they’re going to be that much tougher to beat…especially with their defense playing the way it has. 

[Success]

  On 10/26/2024 at 1:51 AM, 90sBills said:

Mahomes struggles is so misleading. His skill guys have dropped like flies. Yet he still leads the league with the highest qbr in the 4th quarter and that has helped KC to a 6-0 record. Now that they traded for Dhop they’re going to be that much tougher to beat…especially with their defense playing the way it has. 

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Have you watched the games?

 

Mahomes has nothing to prove.  But he's been pedestrian this season.

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

  On 10/26/2024 at 1:51 AM, 90sBills said:

Mahomes struggles is so misleading. His skill guys have dropped like flies. Yet he still leads the league with the highest qbr in the 4th quarter and that has helped KC to a 6-0 record. Now that they traded for Dhop they’re going to be that much tougher to beat…especially with their defense playing the way it has. 

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The only thing keeping his struggles from being the most talked about story in football is people giving him the benefit of the doubt due to past seasons which it’s obviously fair to say he’s earned. At face value this year so far though he’s been pretty bad honestly with or without rashee (a player he literally injured himself) 

 

If the kadarious Toney move didn’t turn into such a huge flop after a ton of hype maybe I’d feel like Hopkins is a 100% sure thing at this stage in his career but I’m not completely sold on it..  it just doesn’t seem like a perfect fit on paper to me even if he gets up to speed quickly, the chiefs don’t really throw jump balls/tight window throws at all which is what Hopkins specializes in.  Still a good move they needed to make but I’m not sure it’s gonna be earth shattering 

[Joe Marino]

  On 10/24/2024 at 9:48 AM, JerseyBills said:

It's easy to pile on McD, obviously the playoff mistakes on D, but he has overall the best record overall since 2020. He'd be hired as a HC probably immediately if 💩 hit the fan. He has developed an elite culture and a consistent winner and hopefully gets over that playoff hump, he deserves it. 

 

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He reminds me of Al-Qaeda that way.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Worthy has incredible talent.  Will be a star for years.

 

[Richard Noggin]

  On 10/25/2024 at 10:53 PM, Success said:

I remember fans were so panicky after he had a couple of splashy plays in the opener.

 

The trade & the picks can't be fully evaluated for 2-3 years. But give me Coleman all day, every day.

 

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Appreciate this on-topic post.

 

Worthy is looking like the definition of a flashy, speed WR who will likely be up and down with his production, and would greatly benefit from more (healthy) talent around him. Seems like the more exposure he has and the more reps he puts on tape, the more defenses will have an effective plan for him. Worthy is limited by size and strength. He CAN be an effective and explosive receiving option in the NFL, as already shown, but he can also be a limited option.