Xavier Worthy: So far, not much more than a gadget guy

[Alphadawg7]

15 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

They were getting a boundary WR one way or another.   Apparently everyone knew it except you.   Beane admitted he was in on Adams but the Jets paid the price AND ate the money.   No doubt if Cooper wasn't going to be traded then Hopkins is a Bill before KC loses Rice and has to pay as much as they did.   That 5 that becomes a 4 from KC would have been a 3 that becomes a 2 from Buffalo.......or a 2 for Hopkins and a day 3 pick.   You don't put your MVP level young QB's health and career in conflict over a day 2 pick.  

 

Also how did you like that go ball they threw to Shakir against KC?   Total waste of a down.  He kinda' looks like a 5'7" RB running a go route once he gets that far downfield, doesn't he?  He's excellent at what he does but that ain't it.    This is why not getting help on the boundary was not an option despite the likelihood all along that Shakir would put up 900 or so yards.

 

Again, I said it wasn't about draft compensation but you keep bringing up draft compensation.  Really no reason to keep discussing a what if scenario that didn't happen in the first place.  

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

They were getting a boundary WR one way or another.   Apparently everyone knew it except you.   Beane admitted he was in on Adams but the Jets paid the price AND ate the money.   No doubt if Cooper wasn't going to be traded then Hopkins is a Bill before KC loses Rice and has to pay as much as they did.   That 5 that becomes a 4 from KC would have been a 3 that becomes a 2 from Buffalo.......or a 2 for Hopkins and a day 3 pick.   You don't put your MVP level young QB's health and career in conflict over a day 2 pick.  

 

Also how did you like that go ball they threw to Shakir against KC?   Total waste of a down.  He kinda' looks like a 5'7" RB running a go route once he gets that far downfield, doesn't he?  He's excellent at what he does but that ain't it.    This is why not getting help on the boundary was not an option despite the likelihood all along that Shakir would put up 900 or so yards.

 

It is like the year John Brown was the de-facto #1 and had 1,000 yards and people were arguing he is therefore a true #1. It's not about yards put up. It's about what they can do and what they can't. Shakir isn't a #1. He is a slot guy. John Brown was a boundary guy but also wasn't a #1. 

[HappyDays]

25 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Also how did you like that go ball they threw to Shakir against KC?   Total waste of a down.  He kinda' looks like a 5'7" RB running a go route once he gets that far downfield, doesn't he?  He's excellent at what he does but that ain't it.    This is why not getting help on the boundary was not an option despite the likelihood all along that Shakir would put up 900 or so yards.

 

Any time Allen is waiting for Shakir to get open downfield, bad things happen. The final series of the divisional round. The 1st INT thrown against Indy. The wasted down this past game that you mentioned. They need to stop trying to make it happen.

[BADOLBILZ]

11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Again, I said it wasn't about draft compensation but you keep bringing up draft compensation.  Really no reason to keep discussing a what if scenario that didn't happen in the first place.  

 

 

There was no reason for you to frame the Cooper trade as Beane just seizing an opportunity instead of being in desperate search for a boundary WR either.   But you did it.  

 

Better draft compensation gets teams to eat cap space.

 

If the Jets didn't pony up for Adams the Raiders would have had to be open to eating money.  That's why Beane was in on Adams in the first place.  Because if the Raiders didn't trade him they had to pay him anyway.   He had been pulled from the lineup and HAD to be moved.  Even simply releasing him wasn't a money saving option.  The Jets were just MORE desperate than the Bills or anyone else.   And that's probably a factor in why they fired their GM today.   

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Any time Allen is waiting for Shakir to get open downfield, bad things happen. The final series of the divisional round. The 1st INT thrown against Indy. The wasted down this past game that you mentioned. They need to stop trying to make it happen.

 

The guy averages 46 yac yards per game in a 2 high safety league.   He'd have to be proven incredible downfield to justify dying on the hill they did in that divisional round.   Flip he and Diggs routes on that play and take the easy button and McD probably ends up looking like Bill Parcells 2.0 at the end of the day for that gameplan.  

[boco357]

 

[Brand J]

5 minutes ago, boco357 said:

 

Mostly bad passes is what I saw, less on the receiver.

[Jauronimo]

32 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Mostly bad passes is what I saw, less on the receiver.

A few of those should have been big plays downfield but Worthy doesnt know where the sideline is.  Mahomes didn't need throw those as close to the boundary as he did on at least one, however.

[bouds]

Look he's getting wide open, ther

4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

A few of those should have been big plays downfield but Worthy doesnt know where the sideline is.  Mahomes didn't need throw those as close to the boundary as he did on at least one, however.

 

38 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Mostly bad passes is what I saw, less on the receiver.

 

I think we can agree on one thing, lets hope they keep missing these shots, because the guy is getting wide open for big plays, and they're not hitting them.  Hopefully it stays that way because getting open isn't the problem.

[Jauronimo]

Just now, bouds said:

Look he's getting wide open, ther

 

 

I think we can agree on one thing, lets hope they keep missing these shots, because the guy is getting wide open for big plays, and they're not hitting them.  Hopefully it stays that way because getting open isn't the problem.

Maybe when Mahomes finally puts one right on the money in the AFC Championship game, Worthy drops it and demands to go to a shittier team in Texas after they're eliminated?

[finn]

45 minutes ago, boco357 said:

 

Could it be that it's Mahomes' tape that keeps getting worse? 

[Success]

Looking at some of the guys picked in the 1st & 2nd - I'm really glad we got Coleman (not factoring in "if we traded up)".

 

Legette, Pearsall & Worthy have all been pretty underwhelming to me.  Polk is genuinely bad.  McConkey is great, but I really like what Coleman brings to the table for us.

[H2o]

1 hour ago, finn said:

Could it be that it's Mahomes' tape that keeps getting worse? 

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

A few of those should have been big plays downfield but Worthy doesnt know where the sideline is.  Mahomes didn't need throw those as close to the boundary as he did on at least one, however.

That highly selective clip I just watched told me more about Mahomes not some incredible best QB in the NFL, worthy was wide open in many of those plays, Mahomes simply was off target and often throwing it out of bounds where a shorter receiver like Worthy had no chance at catching it.  Many of those plays should have resulted in monster plays and TDs,

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, Brand J said:

Mostly bad passes is what I saw, less on the receiver.

 

But sometimes a bad pass is because the receiver ran their route wrong.  

[Brand J]

5 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

But sometimes a bad pass is because the receiver ran their route wrong.  

True, but mostly on the shorter stuff. If a receiver is that wide open down the field, it doesn’t matter how he ran the route, there’s not going to be a lot of variation to it. You’re a NFL QB, put it on him.

[TheBrownBear]

18 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

That highly selective clip I just watched told me more about Mahomes not some incredible best QB in the NFL, worthy was wide open in many of those plays, Mahomes simply was off target and often throwing it out of bounds where a shorter receiver like Worthy had no chance at catching it.  Many of those plays should have resulted in monster plays and TDs,

I'm sure we could put together a similar Josh Allen lowlight reel if we wanted to push a narrative.

[YattaOkasan]

10 minutes ago, Brand J said:

True, but mostly on the shorter stuff. If a receiver is that wide open down the field, it doesn’t matter how he ran the route, there’s not going to be a lot of variation to it. You’re a NFL QB, put it on him.

Theres a fair bit of nuance to it.  In 2020 Allen described his improvements to throwing the deep ball as dropping a pin on Google Maps to meet me here.  Now some of those pins in that highlight were comically bad but its not fair to say that the QB should just put it on him.  He has separation but the defense (particularly in the zone coverages being played in all of those plays) has time to respond.  So the QB has to drop a pin somewhere and on a couple of those they were not on the same page.  

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Edited December 4 by YattaOkasan

[Brand J]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

I'm sure we could put together a similar Josh Allen lowlight reel if we wanted to push a narrative.

Yep, definitely not a strong suit of Allen’s either.

Just now, YattaOkasan said:

Theres a fair bit of nuance to it.  In 2020 Allen described his improvements to throwing the deep ball as dropping a pin on Google Maps to meet me here.  Now some of those pins in that highlight were comically bad but its not fair to say that the QB should just put it on him.  He has separation but the defense (particularly in the zone coverages being played in all of those plays) has time to respond.  So the QB has to drop a pin somewhere and on a couple of those they were not on the same page.  

 

When I said “put it on him” for a downfield pass, I meant give him a ball he can run under. Dropping a pin is a good analogy, but if the pin is that far off, then it’s more on the throw than how the receiver ran his route. 

[YattaOkasan]

7 minutes ago, Brand J said:

Yep, definitely not a strong suit of Allen’s either.

When I said “put it on him” for a downfield pass, I meant give him a ball he can run under. Dropping a pin is a good analogy, but if the pin is that far off, then it’s more on the throw than how the receiver ran his route. 

I think we agree that those highlights were more on Pat than Worthy, but I dont disagree with the idea of the tweet that the chemistry is off (could be Pats fault).    

 

Will disagree that deep ball is not a strength of Josh.  Hes not good at it this year but since 2020 hes been very good.  I think hes found a great connection with Cooper and Coleman and Im looking forwarded to seeing his CPOE (completion percent over expected) to increase in the coming weeks on 20+ yard throws.

Edited December 4 by YattaOkasan