Xavier Worthy: So far, not much more than a gadget guy

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

7 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

Looks to me like he may well develop into the guy they wanted when they drafted him. And for sure Andy will know how to use his skill set.
I doubt he will ever be the player Hill is though. Tyreek is like 30 lbs heavier and just as fast. Also a great route runner, which Worthy has jet to prove. 

I’m pretty unimpressed still…the guy had a chance to be the feature wr before they brought in Hopkins and pretty much failed the test.  It felt like the bills played a lot more man than usual and no way they’re able to do that if worthy was any kind of serious threat especially with Hamlin in one of the safety spots since he’s not the fastest guy 

 

worthy was mostly just the beneficiary of the bills defense focusing on other guys and was pretty easily taken out of the game when we adjusted.  

[davefan66]

2 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

On his touchdown Mahomes knew he was going to him right away. I’m no defensive coordinator obviously, not really sure how you call a defense though that lines up a linebacker on the fastest guy in the league 

Agree. Feel the Bills did a good job keeping him neutralized after his initial few touches.  Then again, not dragging a toe on a deep pass will neutralize yourself.

[NewEra]

He got very lucky Rapp didn’t line him up properly.  That could’ve been the end of his season

[Ya Digg?]

1 minute ago, davefan66 said:

Agree. Feel the Bills did a good job keeping him neutralized after his initial few touches.  Then again, not dragging a toe on a deep pass will neutralize yourself.

It’s also crazy how not dragging his toe completely changes the narrative of the game he played. If he stays in bounds, he has 100 yards receiving for the game, lots of questions today about why didn’t the Bills draft him, blah blah blah. He doesn’t though, doesn’t get another pass thrown to him the rest of the game, and people can say he was shut down by the defense 

[davefan66]

3 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

It’s also crazy how not dragging his toe completely changes the narrative of the game he played. If he stays in bounds, he has 100 yards receiving for the game, lots of questions today about why didn’t the Bills draft him, blah blah blah. He doesn’t though, doesn’t get another pass thrown to him the rest of the game, and people can say he was shut down by the defense 

Forcing the ball to someone, especially a rookie, in the “scripted” first plays of the game doesn’t necessarily mean the kid is that good. It means he knew what to do on those plays, not necessarily the playbook for the rest of the game.  And for sure, our defense would have tightened up on him if he caught that pass.  Although, we never got to find out because he wasn’t a factor the rest of the game.
 

It was good for our game that he didn’t drag the toe.  Good for us so we don’t have to hear more about us giving him to KC.

[stevewin]

On Get Up they did a little discussion throwing shade at Worthy - Bruschi: I love him on the sweeps but he needs to be a better threat down field - then they showed him stepping out both this week and last week  and Bruschi literally said "Maybe he has spatial problems" lol.   

 

Rex went further - "Better track player than football player  ... everyone fell in love with the 40 yard dash - if he wants to run a 40 fine he can compete with anyone - but unfortunately you put pads on.  The NFL is a size/speed league - it is not just a speed league"

 

Think it's interesting the thought is that KC was feeding Worthy early to troll the Bills and show how smart they were to trade for him and it seems to have backfired a bit at least yesterday.

[Augie]

17 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He got very lucky Rapp didn’t line him up properly.  That could’ve been the end of his season

 

I never had any ill will toward Andy Reid…….until yesterday. He was clearly trying to rub Worthy in our face. Repeatedly. I don’t think that was pure football strategy, that was being a %$#*. 

 

It would not have upset me to see somebody break that twig. 

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I never had any ill will toward Andy Reid…….until yesterday. He was clearly trying to rub Worthy in our face. Repeatedly. I don’t think that was pure football strategy, that was being a %$#*. 

 

It would not have upset me to see somebody break that twig. 

I had the same exact thought watching that TD drive.  Somber because our young stud Keon is on the sideline healing up.  

Worthy is going to make plays- lots of them.  Getting broken is what I inevitably see happening 

[Bruffalo]

14 minutes ago, stevewin said:

On Get Up they did a little discussion throwing shade at Worthy - Bruschi: I love him on the sweeps but he needs to be a better threat down field - then they showed him stepping out both this week and last week  and Bruschi literally said "Maybe he has spatial problems" lol.   

 

Rex went further - "Better track player than football player  ... everyone fell in love with the 40 yard dash - if he wants to run a 40 fine he can compete with anyone - but unfortunately you put pads on.  The NFL is a size/speed league - it is not just a speed league"

 

Think it's interesting the thought is that KC was feeding Worthy early to troll the Bills and show how smart they were to trade for him and it seems to have backfired a bit at least yesterday.

That's exactly what I was texting my friends about in our group chat during the game. 

 

The Chiefs are a troll team. They do dumb stuff like ring around the rosie and forward shovel passes, no looks, behind the backs, etc... because they're arrogant jerks and they get away with it. It would not surprise me at all if the plan was "this is the Worthy game" coming into Buffalo, even though he's done very little to warrant it. 

[Augie]

22 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I had the same exact thought watching that TD drive.  Somber because our young stud Keon is on the sideline healing up.  

Worthy is going to make plays- lots of them.  Getting broken is what I inevitably see happening 

 

It’s OK, we got Coleman (and Cooper) to beat them in the playoffs when the refs allow their DB’s to get grabby. It’s all about the playoffs. I like the direction we have gone with bigger WRs. We will add the deep speed guy this offseason. 

[MikePJ76]

good to see everyone coming around to the correct view on andy reid.

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I’m pretty unimpressed still…the guy had a chance to be the feature wr before they brought in Hopkins and pretty much failed the test.  It felt like the bills played a lot more man than usual and no way they’re able to do that if worthy was any kind of serious threat especially with Hamlin in one of the safety spots since he’s not the fastest guy 

 

worthy was mostly just the beneficiary of the bills defense focusing on other guys and was pretty easily taken out of the game when we adjusted.  

Also helps having a potential all pro cb outside and a definite all pro cb at nickel. Benford is a beastttt

[hondo in seattle]

38 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I never had any ill will toward Andy Reid…….until yesterday. He was clearly trying to rub Worthy in our face. Repeatedly. I don’t think that was pure football strategy, that was being a %$#*. 

 

It would not have upset me to see somebody break that twig. 

 

This was too important a game for Reid to worry about trolling anyone.   

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I’m pretty unimpressed still…the guy had a chance to be the feature wr before they brought in Hopkins and pretty much failed the test.  It felt like the bills played a lot more man than usual and no way they’re able to do that if worthy was any kind of serious threat especially with Hamlin in one of the safety spots since he’s not the fastest guy 

 

worthy was mostly just the beneficiary of the bills defense focusing on other guys and was pretty easily taken out of the game when we adjusted.  

Couldn’t you say something similar about Coleman pre-Cooper?

[Logic]

So, since I'm the one that started this thread (and, before that, wanted the Bills to draft Worthy):

Worthy showed up as more than a gadget guy yesterday. Clearly. Had he kept his toe inbounds on that play, who knows how the rest of the game would've played out. He has shown signs of being able to develop into a legitimate, playmaking wide receiver in the NFL. He has also shown that his diminutive frame can hinder his ability to be consistently productive. So far, if you can get into his grill at the snap and get physical, it's game over for him. But, to be fair, if you try and FAIL to get into his grill at the snap, he can smoke you and create 5 yards of separation in an instant.

None of us Bills fans would consider it very fair if people were to judge Keon Coleman halfway through his rookie season, so I'll extend the same courtesy to Worthy. He's developing. He's making some plays. 

I'm happy with our guy so far, and I'm betting the Chiefs are happy with theirs. 

Edited November 18 by Logic

[mannc]

58 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I had the same exact thought watching that TD drive.  Somber because our young stud Keon is on the sideline healing up.  

Worthy is going to make plays- lots of them.  Getting broken is what I inevitably see happening 

I'm not so sure about that.  Worthy had a ton of touches at Texas, including punt returns, and I don't think he was ever hurt.  He's definitely no Glass Goodwin.

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, mannc said:

I'm not so sure about that.  Worthy had a ton of touches at Texas, including punt returns, and I don't think he was ever hurt.  He's definitely no Glass Goodwin.

I’m not “sure” about it either…. That’s just  the reason I didn’t want the Bills to draft him and what I think will happen in time.  

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

24 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Couldn’t you say something similar about Coleman pre-Cooper?

Coleman was making plays in tight coverage against the opponents top cb without cooper even being on the field so it’s a bit of a different vibe for me at least.  We’re also a lot more rational with Coleman around here than people are with worthy/the chiefs it seems lol so the standards are different.  Nobody is saying Coleman is going to be the next elite wr in the league yet but some are talking up worthy like that after last night despite him completely disappearing after defensive adjustments 

pretty interested to see the all 22, seemed like we played a lot of man which mcd rarely does if he doesn’t like the wr matchups so that’s pretty telling if true 

 

Edited November 18 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[stlbills13]

Worthy is a good player and he has a coach that can really scheme him. He and Mahomes have missed on a few big plays where both of them have been at fault. But I'm not sure he's a 1st round pick level talent even in KC's offense. He and Mahomes very well may connect on a huge play in the playoffs or something but in my opinion if you are investing a 1st round pick on a WR, they need to be able to run every route in the route tree and I don't think Worthy is that guy. Good player, but I prefer how we came out in that deal. 

[Saxum]

3 hours ago, djp14150 said:

Worthy caught 4 passes on one drive….thr KC first TD drive late 1st/ early 2nd

 

after that? What happened?  I think he ran the ball once and couldn’t catch a deep pass by not being able to stay in bounds.

 

He was sat by KC Head Coach as punishment.