Xavier Worthy: So far, not much more than a gadget guy

[JerseyBills]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

Mecole Hardman 2.0

Been saying this since April

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Im about ready to trade him in my Fantasy league.

Take Mark Andrews for him? Lol

Edited September 23 by The Jokeman

[GASabresIUFan]

WRs that the Bills could have drafted.  

Pick 28 - Worthy - 6 -81 - 1  (5 rushes 39 yards 1 TD)

Pick 31 - Pearsall - IR

Pick 32 - Legette - 6 - 77

Pick 33 - Coleman - 4 - 51 (2 games)

Pick 34 - McConkey - 10 - 109 - 1

Pick 37 - Polk - 5 - 31 -1 (1 rush 0 yards)

Pick 52 - Mitchell - 2 - 32

 

Others:  All non-listed WRs either didn't make their teams, on IR or have 0 receptions so far.

3rd rd - Corley (1-4), Burton (1-47), McMillian (3-59-1), McCaffery (3-18)

4th rd - Franklin (2-11), 

6th rd - J. Wilson (1-9), Whittington (5-50)

7th rd - Vele (8-39)

[cDAVIS]

He is a rookie that's played 3 games. Everyone might be singing a different tune about him come week 15 or next year.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Probably similar to where Rice was as a rookie last year, but then again same could be said about Moore

[Albany,n.y.]

5 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

When does someone here or on, say ESPN, start doing at 2024 re-draft?

 

After all, we have so much data now gleaned from this huge sample size of 3 games. 

Caleb Williams out of the 1st round.

56 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Probably similar to where Rice was as a rookie last year, but then again same could be said about Moore

7 months away from a hit & run charge? 

[BarleyNY]

6 hours ago, Logic said:

I pounded the "draft Xavier Worthy" drum loudly and repeatedly, and then griped about it just as loudly after the fact when the Bills let the Chiefs take him instead. I figured it's only fair, then, to point out that so far, Xavier Worthy has been little more than a gadget receiver in Kansas City. 

Now, the two caveats I'll give are this: One, Worthy is obviously only three games into his rookie season and is still acclimating to the NFL. Two, Keon Coleman hasn't exactly been lighting it up either.

Still, as someone who was a big Worthy truther, I would be remiss not to mention that three games into his career, he looks more Mecole Hardman and less Tyreek Hill. That being said, Hill himself had only 593 receiving yards in his first season, so of course things can change and players can evolve. For now, though, with the Chiefs offense looking like it could use a capable WR2, Worthy mostly hasn't been one. Just 17 receiving yards two weeks in a row, and a season low 50% of snaps last night.

The Chiefs could certainly use some explosivity in their offense, too. Patrick Mahomes' aDOT (average depth of target) so far this season is at a career low 5.2. As we saw last night against the Falcons, there wasn't much in the way of productive downfield passing. No one other than Rashee Rice really seemed to be producing much in the passing game. A player as fast and potentially explosive as Worthy, you would think, would be taking the top off the opposing defense and making big plays downfield. So far? Not.

Just thought it was interesting to note, and will be something to keep an eye on throughout the season.
 

Give it time. He’s basically still a rookie. 

[appoo]

He makes a lot of sense for the chiefs but Keon makes more sense to the Bills than Worthy.

 

At some point Mahomes is going to want someone who can make a contested catch though. Right now all he has is Kelsey

2 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

WRs that the Bills could have drafted.  

Pick 28 - Worthy - 6 -81 - 1  (5 rushes 39 yards 1 TD)

Pick 31 - Pearsall - IR

Pick 32 - Legette - 6 - 77

Pick 33 - Coleman - 4 - 51 (2 games)

Pick 34 - McConkey - 10 - 109 - 1

Pick 37 - Polk - 5 - 31 -1 (1 rush 0 yards)

Pick 52 - Mitchell - 2 - 32

 

Others:  All non-listed WRs either didn't make their teams, on IR or have 0 receptions so far.

3rd rd - Corley (1-4), Burton (1-47), McMillian (3-59-1), McCaffery (3-18)

4th rd - Franklin (2-11), 

6th rd - J. Wilson (1-9), Whittington (5-50)

7th rd - Vele (8-39)

Keep in mind the Bills drafted Keon with the idea that he’d be MVS’ understudy as he gets used to NFL physical coverage, which he’s almost never had exposure to playing in college ball. He’s faced dudes like Joey Porter Jr and some guys on OSU but those were only have a handful of targets. In the NFL you gotta do that week to week. Always a huge learning curve for someone who can’t just run around like a little jitter bug.

 

Keon’s upside is as high as any of the WRs drafted outside the top 10

[appoo]

5 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

The WR group early in this season has been pretty underwhelming to me overall. I'll wait till the end of the year to judge but the "deepest WR draft" in years has been underwhelming through 3 weeks. Might not even be better than the early looks at next years class to be honest(yes, I know a lot of people say that but there are a ton of guys next year)

 

- Luther Burden Missouri

-Tetairoa McMillan Arizona

- Tre Harris Miss

- Juice Wells Miss

- Travis Hunter Colorado

- Isaiah Bond Texas

-Emeka Egbuka Ohio State

 

All of these guys with the exception of Wells are first round guys and there is a ton of depth behind them as well. The 2025 draft has just as much hype if not more than the 2024 WR class.

Somehow, 3 games into his career, Jeremiah Smith is better than all of them. ***** OSU

[EasternOHBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, appoo said:

Somehow, 3 games into his career, Jeremiah Smith is better than all of them. ***** OSU

 

Added bonus: He doesn't need stolen signs to be great!

Edited September 23 by EasternOHBillsFan

[RoscoeParrish]

9 minutes ago, appoo said:

He makes a lot of sense for the chiefs but Keon makes more sense to the Bills than Worthy.

 

At some point Mahomes is going to want someone who can make a contested catch though. Right now all he has is Kelsey

Keep in mind the Bills drafted Keon with the idea that he’d be MVS’ understudy as he gets used to NFL physical coverage, which he’s almost never had exposure to playing in college ball. He’s faced dudes like Joey Porter Jr and some guys on OSU but those were only have a handful of targets. In the NFL you gotta do that week to week. Always a huge learning curve for someone who can’t just run around like a little jitter bug.

 

Keon’s upside is as high as any of the WRs drafted outside the top 10

You know Mahomes has Rashee Rice, who is #1 in catches and #2 in yards in the whole NFL, right?

[appoo]

Just now, RoscoeParrish said:

You know Mahomes has Rashee Rice, who is #1 in catches and #2 in yards in the whole NFL, right?

Yes? They’ve had a fairly average since the beginning of last season and a huge reason for that is you don’t really need to defend them beyond 30 yards. 
 

What identifies Mahomes as elite is that he can still get decent results against any defense with an offense that doesn’t have to be defended past 30 yards

[RoscoeParrish]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

To be fair, he was never going to be Tyreek Hill, they are not remotely the same style of build of a player.  And while Hill had a modest rookie year, he also wasn't playing with prime Patrick Mahomes either like Worthy is.  I commend you though for owning this and not being afraid to post it, so respect and kudos.  

 

I will say this...on tape, Coleman has been significantly more impressive to me as a primary pass catcher.  Yes he had zero catches last week, but he was open for plenty the ball just went to other open spots in what was a limited passing game with Cook dominating and the Bills taking the foot off the gas almost the entire 2nd half to just chew clock and not get hurt in our blowout win.  

 

It is way too early to condemn his career to Mercole Hardman, but this was what most of us who were down on him in the draft were very much concerned about.  Honestly, had Worthy run a 4.41 forty for example, he would have been a 3rd or 4th round pick at best IMHO and no one would have been hyping him up for the first round.  But because he got even skinnier training to win the underwear olympics 40 time record he got all this buzz and hype.  

 

Outside his broken TD play that a backup TE would have caught and scored on week 1, he has 5 catches for 46 yards over the 3 games.  I said it week 1 and its been even more true weeks 2 and 3, and that is he is struggling to get open.  He has been the starting WR all 3 weeks too with Brown out.  

 

That being said...Coleman's week 1 game was more impressive than anything I have seen from Worthy in 3 weeks.  Now...its early...Coleman hasn't proven anything yet and Worthy isn't condemned yet.  In fact, I think Worthy will be a bigger threat once Brown is back and he doesn't have to be leaned on as a primary WR.  But KC has a terrible track record with drafting and acquiring WR's lately, so doesn't surprise me they took another one that is struggling.  I wanted nothing to do with Worthy ahead of the draft and even before the draft happened I hands down would have drafted Coleman over Worthy and nothing thus far has happened to change my opinion on that.  

 

I am still glad they took Worthy instead of McConkey or Mitchell who I thought were the more dangerous fits for KC's offense.  

Just curious, have you been watching Xavier Worthy tape?

[Alphadawg7]

21 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Just curious, have you been watching Xavier Worthy tape?

 

No, I have only watched people who break down Chiefs games and seen their reviews and the plays they put up, although I have watched all 3 Chiefs games and you can see it in the live games and replays where he is often not open.  But people who break down Chief games have been pretty critical of his first 3 games so far having expected much more after starting the season as the starter with the Brown news.  

 

But its only 3 games in...pretty sure no ones career was decided in their first 3 games...well maybe Nathan Peterman haha...so plenty of time for him to get it going still and with an elite QB and offensive mind in Reid to help try and get him going.

[Da webster guy]

Perfect illustration as to why Beane took Coleman over Worthy.   On the Coleman TD catch he and Worthy ran pretty much identical routes one day apart    Worthy can't separate on his route in the endzone and the Falcons cb should have picked it off.   Keon runs the same route and gets open for the score.   Game Speed is all that matters.

 

I wonder if the analytics geeks could show Keons speed on the TD because you could see him hit the jets in the middle of his route.  Im willing to bet he was going faster than Worthy last night, he certainly was more open.

[GASabresIUFan]

WRs that the Bills could have drafted.  

Pick 28 - Worthy - 6 -81 - 1  (5 rushes 39 yards 1 TD)

Pick 31 - Pearsall - IR

Pick 32 - Legette - 6 - 77

Pick 33 - Coleman - 5 - 75 - 1 (updated) 

Pick 34 - McConkey - 10 - 109 - 1

Pick 37 - Polk - 5 - 31 -1 (1 rush 0 yards)

Pick 52 - Mitchell - 2 - 32

 

Others:  All non-listed WRs either didn't make their teams, on IR or have 0 receptions so far.

3rd rd - Corley (1-4), Burton (1-47), McMillian (3-59-1), McCaffery (6-62) (updated)

4th rd - Franklin (2-11), 

6th rd - J. Wilson (1-9), Whittington (5-50)

7th rd - Vele (8-39)

[cale]

Can we stop worrying about receivers on other teams until we get our own house fixed? Keon is going to be compared to Worthy for the rest of his career. But he's in a much better situation with a much better offensive coach. I'm more worried about KC running rings around us when it matters. Keon would also be all world if he was with Reid as opposed to Worthy. Speed kills. But our coaching does us in just fine.

And that little guy looked pretty fast and physical on that 54 yarder from Mahomes yesterday.

[Johnnycage46]

Just now, cale said:

Can we stop worrying about receivers on other teams until we get our own house fixed? Keon is going to be compared to Worthy for the rest of his career. But he's in a much better situation with a much better offensive coach. I'm more worried about KC running rings around us when it matters. Keon would also be all world if he was with Reid as opposed to Worthy. Speed kills. But our coaching does us in just fine.

And that little guy looked pretty fast and physical on that 54 yarder from Mahomes yesterday.

 

And he beat his guy by like 5 yards on the crosser on 3rd down that sealed the game for them yesterday.

[JerseyBills]

OVERreaction Monday is Back!

[90sBills]

On 9/23/2024 at 4:20 PM, RoscoeParrish said:

You know Mahomes has Rashee Rice, who is #1 in catches and #2 in yards in the whole NFL, right?

Not anymore…haha