Week 3 Thursday Night Football Pats/Jets

[Nelius]

27 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Man Rodgers looks so old.  I can't believe he can play at that level still.  I dont care if the Pats suck.

 

Rodgers looks like this though...

 

 

 

 

He's got that old sweaty psycho vibe going though

[Scott7975]

25 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The jets are the team I hate the most and nobody else is even close. I live an hour from MetLife these MFers are going to be intolerable for the next week. They just beat the 2 worst teams in the AFC with 2 yard passes and refs ball washing Rodgers but you’d think they were 12-0. I’m confident that we are the real one in this division but I can’t bare the thought of how annoying these jet fans are about to be.

 

We play them in 3 weeks.  Bills just need to take care of business.

Edited September 20 by Scott7975

[billsfan89]

2 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

Makes sense. They still have the Mac Jones saga in their heads too.  They don’t want to rush Maye out there and mess w his head as a rookie.  But i’m sure he will be in there at some point this season.

 

Mac Jones is such an odd case to me. He came out as a rookie and took his team to an 11-6 record and the playoffs. He looked like a competent game manager as a rookie which is not a backhanded complement that's actually impressive to run an offense (even a risk averse one) competently as a rookie. But then he just regressed massively after a productive rookie season. He went 6-8 his second year and then last year 2-9 and his stats and play took a dip as well. Usually a QB will not regress to that extreme degree after a quality rookie season but dam if that did not happen to Mac Jones. 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

Anyone really surprised with this result?

 

Love that the Pats beat the Bengals in week 1!

[Nelius]

Not at all surprised. Biggest takeaway may be actual Bengals concern. Feels like that entire offense is regressing and I'll take it!

 

Rodgers was razor sharp, which is kind of unfortunate. He's also only survived three of his Jets game and looked this good in one of them, so odds are this may not develop into an MVP season. Biggest story is probably his ayahuasca stare/snub at Saleh - I don't even think Hackett wants to be secretly in co-charge but he kind of is by default if Rodgers is really like that with his coach. Locker room could be a ticking timebomb of weirdness.

Edited September 20 by Nelius

[GunnerBill]

Friday morning reflections:

 

1. The Patriots really are terrible. That week 1 win is going to be one of those "win week 1 and don't win again" flukes. I think the Marrone Jags did it a few years ago went 1-15 and the win was week 1. Other than the Panthers they are unquestionably the worst team in football.

 

2. Rodgers is moving better each week. He looked like the tin man week 1 at the 9ers but the old joints are nicely lubricated now and that opens up the playbook a bit and makes him a more dangerous prospect.

 

3. The decision to bring Maye in for that final drive was odd. Brissett is taking the team nowhere, that much is clear, but I thought the rationale for not starting Maye was that they couldn't protect him.... so why throw him out there at 24-3 against a defense in pure pin their ears back and pass rush mode? He made a couple of nice throws but the strategy behind it made no sense to me. 

 

4. I am allowing myself a chuckle at all the Breece Hall truthers. Best running back in football? He isn't even the best running back on the Jets. 

 

5. The question from this game going forward is how good is the Jets pass rush? Will McDonald now has five sacks in two games. If he can truly break out for them then that D goes back to being scary. Is that just against two ropey olines in Tennessee and New England? Or will it sustain when the competition ticks up a level?

[BuffaloBillyG]

4 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

Mac Jones is such an odd case to me. He came out as a rookie and took his team to an 11-6 record and the playoffs. He looked like a competent game manager as a rookie which is not a backhanded complement that's actually impressive to run an offense (even a risk averse one) competently as a rookie. But then he just regressed massively after a productive rookie season. He went 6-8 his second year and then last year 2-9 and his stats and play took a dip as well. Usually a QB will not regress to that extreme degree after a quality rookie season but dam if that did not happen to Mac Jones. 

 

That's kind of what happens when you hire a lifelong DC as your OC and a ST coach as the QB coach. I don't think Jones was even going to turn into an elite QB, but sticking him with Matt Patricia as his OC and Judge as QB coach did him no favors. 

[Gman10]

6 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The jets are the team I hate the most and nobody else is even close. I live an hour from MetLife these MFers are going to be intolerable for the next week. They just beat the 2 worst teams in the AFC with 2 yard passes and refs ball washing Rodgers but you’d think they were 12-0. I’m confident that we are the real one in this division but I can’t bare the thought of how annoying these jet fans are about to be.

What drives me nuts is they have a pretty schedule

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

That's kind of what happens when you hire a lifelong DC as your OC and a ST coach as the QB coach. I don't think Jones was even going to turn into an elite QB, but sticking him with Matt Patricia as his OC and Judge as QB coach did him no favors. 

 

The Bills started Allen off with Culley as his QB coach.  Culley had coached QBs for a single season about a quarter century before.  Luckily, after Russ Brandon was fired, Beane allowed McDermott to fire all of the offensive assistants except Daboll and upgrade the offensive coaches, including QB coach Ken Dorsey.  Dorsey might not be a particularly good OC but he certainly helped Josh Allen develop his raw talent.  Coaching matters.

[Rockinon]

NE's Oline is really bad. Hard to get a read on how good the Jets will be this year. Rogers looked pretty good and if he stays healthy, that team could be dangerous is the vibe I'm getting.

[Matt_In_NH]

Unfortunately the Jets looked kind of like what was predicted tonight....they will be in it....next two games vs Broncos and Vikings.  Rodgers looked a lot better and the defense woke up....albeit vs a bad offense.

[dave mcbride]

10 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Rodgers gets the ball out too quick.    Patriots need to rush 4, play press, and drop everyone else back in coverage. 

I am genuinely concerned about the Jets now. Rodgers looked to me like one of the best qbs to ever play the game both last night and in parts of the Titans game. He is unfortunately still EXTREMELY good. 

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Friday morning reflections:

 

1. The Patriots really are terrible. That week 1 win is going to be one of those "win week 1 and don't win again" flukes. I think the Marrone Jags did it a few years ago went 1-15 and the win was week 1. Other than the Panthers they are unquestionably the worst team in football.

 

2. Rodgers is moving better each week. He looked like the tin man week 1 at the 9ers but the old joints are nicely lubricated now and that opens up the playbook a bit and makes him a more dangerous prospect.

 

3. The decision to bring Maye in for that final drive was odd. Brissett is taking the team nowhere, that much is clear, but I thought the rationale for not starting Maye was that they couldn't protect him.... so why throw him out there at 24-3 against a defense in pure pin their ears back and pass rush mode? He made a couple of nice throws but the strategy behind it made no sense to me. 

 

4. I am allowing myself a chuckle at all the Breece Hall truthers. Best running back in football? He isn't even the best running back on the Jets. 

 

5. The question from this game going forward is how good is the Jets pass rush? Will McDonald now has five sacks in two games. If he can truly break out for them then that D goes back to being scary. Is that just against two ropey olines in Tennessee and New England? Or will it sustain when the competition ticks up a level?

Good comments, although I thought Rodgers looked mostly fine in week one. He looked absolutely spectacular last night — winning the play before the snap happened on almost every play and so, so accurate with so, so much zip. He is something to watch — and a likely problem for the Bills’ fortunes in the AFC East. The Jets are clearly the main enemy in the division now.  Also, Garrett Wilson was deservedly a top 5 pick. He is fantastic.

[DapperCam]

Everybody is pumping up the Jets like they played a competent team. The Pats are equivalent to the Panthers. This game has zero predictive power for how the Jets or Rodgers are going to do this season.

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

 

Good comments, although I thought Rodgers looked mostly fine in week one. He looked absolutely spectacular last night — winning the play before the snap happened on almost every play and so, so accurate with so, so much zip. He is something to watch — and a likely problem for the Bills’ fortunes in the AFC East. The Jets are clearly the main enemy in the division now.  Also, Garrett Wilson was deservedly a top 5 pick. He is fantastic.

 

I think he threw the ball well week one but I don't think he looked like he could move much. He was moving much better last night, not just on a couple of scrambles for 1st downs but when rolling out etc. The Jets are definitely the biggest rival within the division IMO. I felt that before the season and I stand by it. I think the Dolphins were going to take a step back even without the Tua injury. The positive for the Bills in terms of the H2H matchups is I think the Jets weakness is run defense. This Brady version of the Bills offense is likely a tricky match up for the Jets. Also I think Wilson was a top 10 pick rather than top 5, but agree he has justified it. I actually think every ball Rodgers throws to his buddy Lazard is a win for the defense if it prevents the ball going to Wilson. 

[thronethinker]

Rodgers always plays better at home, on the road not so much.

[dave mcbride]

One of my oldest and closest friends has been a hardcore Pats fan since early childhood (1970s) and has been harping in the issue cited below by The Athletic today for months now:

 

“Patriots have serious protection issues

 

It’s going to be hard for the Patriots to have even a semblance of a functional offense behind the O-line they’ve constructed.

Both coach Jerod Mayo and de facto GM Eliot Wolf spent weeks leading into the season insisting that there were no concerns over the offensive line and all proclaiming that all the talk of problems there were way overblown.

 

Now, three weeks in, there’s not a bigger concern for the Patriots. The front five was so bad Thursday night that Brissett was hit on nearly half of his dropbacks. The group entered the game ranked 31st in pressure rate allowed, and they may become the new last place team after this performance.

 

What’s maddening about it is how predictable it was. The Patriots had a terrible offensive line last year, then only tried to fix it by signing journeymen Vederian Lowe and Chukwuma Okorafor and drafting a right tackle in the third round (Caedan Wallace) to play left tackle.

 

It’s been a total and complete disaster.”

14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he threw the ball well week one but I don't think he looked like he could move much. He was moving much better last night, not just on a couple of scrambles for 1st downs but when rolling out etc. The Jets are definitely the biggest rival within the division IMO. I felt that before the season and I stand by it. I think the Dolphins were going to take a step back even without the Tua injury. The positive for the Bills in terms of the H2H matchups is I think the Jets weakness is run defense. This Brady version of the Bills offense is likely a tricky match up for the Jets. Also I think Wilson was a top 10 pick rather than top 5, but agree he has justified it. I actually think every ball Rodgers throws to his buddy Lazard is a win for the defense if it prevents the ball going to Wilson. 

Yeah, 10th overall - my bad!

[May Day 10]

Rodgers was good.  Competent.  Lots of dinky dunk stuff with YAC.  Patriots looked really unprepared and bad though too.  The Jets have more bad coming.

[zow2]

Rodgers answered my questions on whether he can still be accurate, throw on the run, scramble to get away from trouble if necessary, etc..  Now the only thing I question is whether he can stay away from injury.  If he can stay healthy, and the Jets play anything like they did last night on a consistent basis, they'll likely challenge the Bills to the end.  Let's face it, the Jets don't have to play the Ravens, Chiefs or Lions.  That's a big advantage schedule-wise.

[Heitz]

54 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Everybody is pumping up the Jets like they played a competent team. The Pats are equivalent to the Panthers. This game has zero predictive power for how the Jets or Rodgers are going to do this season.

 

It does show that if you can't pressure Rogers and if your D can't cover or tackle, you are in trouble. Not sure we have those same problems, but we shall see...  

[HardyBoy]

Thursday games are trash and you can’t really tell much about a team from them in my opinion.
 

Yes, I’m well aware what I’m saying…