AtlBills Posted September 18 Posted September 18 Watching the highlights of the Arizona Cards game this weekend, there was a play where a Card receiver was tackled on the 3 yd line, fumbled forward into the end zone was recovered by another Card player and was ruled a TD. I thought if you fumbled the ball forward, only the player who fumbled the ball could recover it, did the rule change? Quote
zow2 Posted September 18 Posted September 18 1 minute ago, AtlBills said: Watching the highlights of the Arizona Cards game this weekend, there was a play where a Card receiver was tackled on the 3 yd line, fumbled forward into the end zone was recovered by another Card player and was ruled a TD. I thought if you fumbled the ball forward, only the player who fumbled the ball could recover it, did the rule change? I think it has to do within the final couple minutes of a game. It's so players can't purposely throw "fumble" the ball into the end zone while being tackled so a teammate can recover and win it. 3 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted September 18 Posted September 18 (edited) Trying to google, but it might do with where the ball is recovered. As in, the fumbling team gets the ball where the 2nd player original recovers it, not back at the spot of the fumble. The recovering player can not run and advance it. But since they recovered it in the end zone its a TD. I'm mostly pulling that out of bad memory and my butt. But it sounds right to me, and if I believe it, it's true. edit: I was wrong, @zow2 was right https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/fumbling-in-the-end-zone/ In American football the offense cannot advance the ball if it recovers its own fumble on fourth down, or in the last two minutes of a half, unless the ball is recovered by the fumbler. Any player of either team may recover or catch a fumble and advance, either before or after the ball strikes the ground. Edited September 18 by DrDawkinstein 2 Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 18 Posted September 18 (edited) Google Holy Roller play and read all about how the rules were changed to what they are now Edited September 18 by Ethan in Cleveland 6 1 1 Quote
Mat68 Posted September 18 Posted September 18 21 minutes ago, AtlBills said: Watching the highlights of the Arizona Cards game this weekend, there was a play where a Card receiver was tackled on the 3 yd line, fumbled forward into the end zone was recovered by another Card player and was ruled a TD. I thought if you fumbled the ball forward, only the player who fumbled the ball could recover it, did the rule change? Only under 2 mins. Quote
JP51 Posted September 18 Posted September 18 1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Google Holy Roller play and read all about how the rules were changed to what they are now Dave Casper! 2 1 Quote
HardyBoy Posted September 18 Posted September 18 You can’t ever intentionally fumble forward or intentionally bat the ball in any direction with any part of the body right? Also, you can’t advance a fumble at all in the last two minutes or on 4th down and if it’s fumbled forward and recovered there, the ball comes back to the spot of the fumble…like a muffed punt thats why on last minute hook an lateral type plays, if the ball bounces at all the game is over I believe. Quote
Big Turk Posted September 18 Posted September 18 (edited) 2 hours ago, AtlBills said: Watching the highlights of the Arizona Cards game this weekend, there was a play where a Card receiver was tackled on the 3 yd line, fumbled forward into the end zone was recovered by another Card player and was ruled a TD. I thought if you fumbled the ball forward, only the player who fumbled the ball could recover it, did the rule change? It's only within the last 2 minutes of the half to prevent an intentional play like the "Holy Roller" that the Raiders won on from happening again and on 4th downs. "Fourth down or last two minutes If the offense fumbles the ball forward on fourth down or in the last two minutes of a half, only the fumbling player can recover the ball and advance." Edited September 18 by Big Turk Quote
Augie Posted September 18 Posted September 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, JP51 said: Dave Casper! Yeah, he had a remarkably clumsy spell there, for yards and yards…… EDIT: I just watched it again and it was even more ridiculous than I remembered! https://www.google.com/search?q=holy+roller+dave+casper&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari# Edited September 18 by Augie 1 Quote
Turk71 Posted September 18 Posted September 18 (edited) Personally I think fumbles recovered by the offense should be placed where the fumble occurred(unless the fumbler recovers it), it should never be an advantage to fumble the ball imo. Edited September 18 by Turk71 2 Quote
amprov56 Posted September 18 Posted September 18 3 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Google Holy Roller play and read all about how the rules were changed to what they are now Spot on! 1 Quote
Old Coot Posted September 18 Posted September 18 2 hours ago, JP51 said: Dave Casper! Ghost to the Post -- a classic Raiders' play 1 Quote
Big Turk Posted September 18 Posted September 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, Augie said: Yeah, he had a remarkably clumsy spell there, for yards and yards…… EDIT: I just watched it again and it was even more ridiculous than I remembered! https://www.google.com/search?q=holy+roller+dave+casper&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari# Also one of the all-time Classic PBP moments after the game ended: "Madden is on the field... He wants to know if it's real... They said 'Yes!' Get your big butt outta here! He does! There's nothing real in the world anymore!" 😂😂😂 Edited September 18 by Big Turk 1 1 Quote
BillsfaninSB Posted September 18 Posted September 18 1 hour ago, Turk71 said: Personally I think fumbles recovered by the offense should be placed where the fumble occurred(unless the fumbler recovers it), it should never be an advantage to fumble the ball imo. I agree with you. I will take it one step further. Even if the fumbler recovers his own fumble I think it should also be placed at the spot of the fumble. Even if the fumbler gets to his feet untouched and can advance the ball. Play is dead as soon as the offense gets possession of the ball, no matter who it is, at the spot of the fumble. 1 Quote
Turk71 Posted September 18 Posted September 18 5 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: I agree with you. I will take it one step further. Even if the fumbler recovers his own fumble I think it should also be placed at the spot of the fumble. Even if the fumbler gets to his feet untouched and can advance the ball. Play is dead as soon as the offense gets possession of the ball, no matter who it is, at the spot of the fumble. I agree. I reconsidered after posting and fully agree with your position. You should never gain as a result of a fumble. Quote
Doc Brown Posted September 18 Posted September 18 20 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: I agree with you. I will take it one step further. Even if the fumbler recovers his own fumble I think it should also be placed at the spot of the fumble. Even if the fumbler gets to his feet untouched and can advance the ball. Play is dead as soon as the offense gets possession of the ball, no matter who it is, at the spot of the fumble. Would that include a botched snap fumble where Josh took it into the end zone against the Lions on Thanksgiving a couple years back? Quote
BillsfaninSB Posted September 18 Posted September 18 12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Would that include a botched snap fumble where Josh took it into the end zone against the Lions on Thanksgiving a couple years back? Doh! Quote
without a drought Posted September 18 Posted September 18 1 hour ago, Turk71 said: Personally I think fumbles recovered by the offense should be placed where the fumble occurred(unless the fumbler recovers it), it should never be an advantage to fumble the ball imo. Can't wait for the replay or challenge. When did he actually lose control of the ball. What do you think Gene? Quote
Turk71 Posted September 18 Posted September 18 27 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Would that include a botched snap fumble where Josh took it into the end zone against the Lions on Thanksgiving a couple years back? Botched snaps and handoffs would not be included because the rule would only apply if fumbler had full possession before he fumbled. Quote
gonzo1105 Posted September 18 Posted September 18 It’s only in the last two mins to prevent the holy roller type play Quote
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