Tua’s Broken Dome (now being placed on IR-out at least 4 games)

[Bockeye]

Full participant today. He’s definitely going to play in my opinion.  
 

From the Phinsider:

The Miami Dolphins saw quarterback Tua Tagovailoa return to the practice field on Wednesday in a limited fashion. On Thursday, that changed to the Pro Bowl passer participating in the team’s full workout as he looks to return from the injured reserve list following a Week 2 concussion
 

 

[zow2]

He should play if he’s symptom free and practicing. Arizona is a must win game.

[DrDawkinstein]

19 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I don't know.  Have their been any who actually examined him and recommended retirement?  Who's medical advice is he ignoring?

 

Cmon man. I assume you've been to a doctor even once in your life. They always take the safe/conservative route when giving lifestyle advice, based on what is best for your health and body. Not what is best for your bank account and celebrity status.

 

I'd be surprised if there was a doctor out there who would recommend playing professional football to anyone, regardless of injury history, given how brutal it is. Let alone someone with Tua's injury history.

 

You really think he met with doctors and after they confirmed he cleared the bare minimum for legally returning to the field without making the NFL liable for injuries, they slapped him on the back and said "Now get out there because this is what's best for you!". ???

 

I know youre playing the "we dont know what was said" game, but you're on the silly side of assumptions here.

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Cmon man. I assume you've been to a doctor even once in your life. They always take the safe/conservative route when giving lifestyle advice, based on what is best for your health and body. Not what is best for your bank account and celebrity status.

 

I'd be surprised if there was a doctor out there who would recommend playing professional football to anyone, regardless of injury history, given how brutal it is. Let alone someone with Tua's injury history.

 

You really think he met with doctors and after they confirmed he cleared the bare minimum for legally returning to the field without making the NFL liable for injuries, they slapped him on the back and said "Now get out there because this is what's best for you!". ???

 

I know youre playing the "we dont know what was said" game, but you're on the silly side of assumptions here.

 

He met with doctors, they cleared him to play football.  Why would they say it's "what's best for" him? No team or other involved physician is hired to counsel players to quit playing the sport, or not....

 

Doctors aren't in the business of recommending or discouraging careers for their patients.  They simply explain risks and benefits and let patients decide what happens next.

 

Tua didn't need a doctor to tell him that he is risking his future health by playing again...and since no doctor has deemed him unfit to play, he apparently has accepted the risk and will play.  Why is this hard to understand?

 

 

[Lost]

 

[Sierra Foothills]

On 10/25/2024 at 6:31 AM, Mr. WEO said:

He met with doctors, they cleared him to play football.  Why would they say it's "what's best for" him? No team or other involved physician is hired to counsel players to quit playing the sport, or not....

 

Doctors aren't in the business of recommending or discouraging careers for their patients.  They simply explain risks and benefits and let patients decide what happens next.

 

Tua didn't need a doctor to tell him that he is risking his future health by playing again...and since no doctor has deemed him unfit to play, he apparently has accepted the risk and will play.  Why is this hard to understand?

 

It would be interesting to see what any doctor who evaluated Tua would have actually written down.

 

I'd love to see that language.

 

I feel that for the sake of limiting liability and giving Tua the green light that the written documentation is a bit on the light side.

 

JMO.

 

[RunTheBall]

There’s no liability for physicians because no doc would give Tua a 100% green light. Every neurologist who didn’t tell Tua to stop outright would give some variation of “ I feel the risk of severe neurological damage if you continue playing is low, but it’s not zero. The safest thing would be to retire, but if you decide to continue playing you run the risk of permanent damage even if that risk is low”

 

 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

It would be interesting to see what any doctor who evaluated Tua would have actually written down.

 

I'd love to see that language.

 

I feel that for the sake of limiting liability and giving Tua the green light that the written documentation is a bit on the light side.

 

JMO.

 

 

I guarantee any doctor who evaluated him documented their findings accurately.

[Sierra Foothills]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

I guarantee any doctor who evaluated him documented their findings accurately.

 

What do you think that written documentation would look like?

 

Care to provide a hypothetical example?

 

[Don Otreply]

On 10/25/2024 at 9:10 AM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Cmon man. I assume you've been to a doctor even once in your life. They always take the safe/conservative route when giving lifestyle advice, based on what is best for your health and body. Not what is best for your bank account and celebrity status.

 

I'd be surprised if there was a doctor out there who would recommend playing professional football to anyone, regardless of injury history, given how brutal it is. Let alone someone with Tua's injury history.

 

You really think he met with doctors and after they confirmed he cleared the bare minimum for legally returning to the field without making the NFL liable for injuries, they slapped him on the back and said "Now get out there because this is what's best for you!". ???

 

I know youre playing the "we dont know what was said" game, but you're on the silly side of assumptions here.

It’s Weo, he gonna choose to die on that sword, as the saying goes, 

[Augie]

I just flipped over to YouTube TV and checked out the menu of games available. I have to admit, there is a morbid sense of curiosity that caused me to check out the Dolphin game first. Tua was 5/6 and a TD on the first drive. Oh, and he survived…..so far.

 

It’s like a car wreck, it’s hard to turn away. I’m sure the NFL will appreciate the eyes this draws for improved ratings. After all, they are all about the money. Now, we just need to get Taylor Swift to a Dolphin game (before he gets hurt again) to see if we can make some rating magic!  

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

What do you think that written documentation would look like?

 

Care to provide a hypothetical example?

 

 

It would be a standard History and physical, focusing on documenting the neurological exam.  Standard stuff for every doctor/patient encounter.  For his or her own protection, any specialist is going to document their findings at that time in significant detail.  That note would become a permanent part of Tua's medical record.

 

Simple stuff.

[K-9]

34 minutes ago, Augie said:

I just flipped over to YouTube TV and checked out the menu of games available. I have to admit, there is a morbid sense of curiosity that caused me to check out the Dolphin game first. Tua was 5/6 and a TD on the first drive. Oh, and he survived…..so far.

 

It’s like a car wreck, it’s hard to turn away. I’m sure the NFL will appreciate the eyes this draws for improved ratings. After all, they are all about the money. Now, we just need to get Taylor Swift to a Dolphin game (before he gets hurt again) to see if we can make some rating magic!  

No TD pass for Tua; it was a Mostert rushing TD.

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

It’s Weo, he gonna choose to die on that sword, as the saying goes, 

I’m  just correcting his completely inaccurate post (filled with weird claims and straw man arguments) based on how physicians actually do their jobs. 

 

No swords used, no one died…
 

 

 

[RangerDave]

I just read about this today"

 

"Researchers have identified a potential new sign of concussion in athletes, particularly football players, that can easily be spotted on the field, indicating the need for immediate removal from the game and evaluation for potential traumatic brain injury (TBI).

 

Spontaneous Headshake After a Kinematic Event (SHAAKE) refers to the rapid, back-and-forth head movement athletes exhibit following a blow to the head. This voluntary motion typically occurs within seconds to minutes after impact and is a familiar response in athletes.

 

In a recent survey, 7 out of 10 adult athletes recalled making this movement after a collision, and three out of four times they attributed this back-and-forth head movement to a concussion. The association was strongest among football players, who reported that over 90% of SHAAKE episodes were associated with a concussion.

 

The results were published online on October 23 in Diagnostics."

 

I thought this was interesting.  I will be watching for it in future games.

 

Now, granted, this is only to assist in diagnosing a concussion.  It does not address when to clear someone to play football again, if ever.