Tua’s Broken Dome (now being placed on IR-out at least 4 games)

[Mango]

19 hours ago, paulmm3 said:

Eh, Tua can do what he wants. Lot of NHL players didn't wear visors when those were introduced because they just didn't like how they felt it affected their game. Maybe the guardian cap is uncomfortable or bulky or some other reason people don't want to wear it

There isn’t an NHL comparable to Tua/concussions/equipment in the current era.

Edited October 22 by Mango

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

Is there any data that shows that guardian caps protect against concussions? I haven’t seen it. 

What about those Q collars? A lot of players have been wearing those for years and they are supposed to also help prevent concussions. 

Rapp is wearing both the cap and collar.

 

 

Edited October 22 by Buffalo_Stampede

[billsintaiwan]

20 hours ago, paulmm3 said:

Eh, Tua can do what he wants. Lot of NHL players didn't wear visors when those were introduced because they just didn't like how they felt it affected their game. Maybe the guardian cap is uncomfortable or bulky or some other reason people don't want to wear it

Al Secord

[teef]

i will no longer feel bad when he does that sugar hands thing after being smacked in the head again.  he get what he gets.

[DrDawkinstein]

5 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

Is there any data that shows that guardian caps protect against concussions? I haven’t seen it. 

 

I dont see how a small layer of foam is supposed to stop the brain from smacking up against the skull when someone's head goes from 60 to 0 instantly. I guess it might help a bit against maybe a helmet-to-helmet type blow.

 

Not sure it matters for Tua ScrambleEggsBrains anyways

[EasternOHBillsFan]

I'm sick to death of hearing about this subject, because there are always certain players like Ryan Clark who will get on TV and say no doctor or specialist told him not to play again, as if he is like any other player out there.

 

It's like a performer/stuntman who regularly risks their life, but one has hurt themselves so many times that they think they can keep doing what they love and one day, poof, they are hurt for life or worse. Tua's chances of really being hurt for life are much greater but he and players like Ryan Clark think he can play on. Stupid is as stupid does in this case it seems...

Edited October 22 by EasternOHBillsFan

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

I don't want Tua to have a life altering (or ending) injury. But if you're a defender what are you going to do? As we kept pointing out, Tua lowers his head and effectively rams Hamlin on the play he was hurt. As you supposed to matador him? Are you not supposed to sack him? Even a completely legal good faith hit could be Tua's last in the NFL. I think it's crazy the Dolphins are doing it and says all I need to about their organization 

[Saxum]

3 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I don't want Tua to have a life altering (or ending) injury. But if you're a defender what are you going to do? As we kept pointing out, Tua lowers his head and effectively rams Hamlin on the play he was hurt. As you supposed to matador him? Are you not supposed to sack him? Even a completely legal good faith hit could be Tua's last in the NFL. I think it's crazy the Dolphins are doing it and says all I need to about their organization 

 

The issue is they should not have signed such a contract even if he had one year with no concussions.

[BillsFan130]

https://youtu.be/eO3-gVnck14?si=h1QDWi6lbg_zhKHA

 

Tua seemed pissed at his press conference ^.
 

You can definitely tell he feels singled out when it comes to missing time with concussions, and seemed annoyed at people telling him to retire. (Can't say I blame him there as it his life at the end of the day)

[DrPJax]

19 hours ago, TurfToeJam said:

 

Very well written.  I agree with most of it.  The only part however that changes things is that he has a family.  Choosing your "passion" of playing a game makes him selfish.  He needs to put his wife/ children first instead of himself.  He's already made plenty of $$$ to retire now and live comfortably.

 

As for hamlin, this is actually the first time I've heard someone say there is risk of him playing.  Everything I've read/heard thus far has always been that the odds of it statistically happening to him again are very low.

      Thanks for reading and I appreciate the nice sentiment.  We have no way of knowing , but I have to assume his wife / family were ok with his decision or he doesn’t just get a divorce and move on.  So callling him selfish is just not fair as we have no intimate knowledge of his relationship. In my experience regarding life altering medical decisions , most are made with family members   Decisions about cancer treatment options, DNR decisions etc are almost never made alone; not saying the actual individual allows the final choices to be name by others , but they almost always have input.  It’s possible his wife / family know his happiness and joy , and asking him to give that up might be seen as selfish in that way.    Men love to provide , it’s who we are. Losing a job is very depressing and can lead to divorce. Just saying , I would bet he had approval from family and didn’t just say I’m doing this regardless of what you say; I just can’t envision the specialists explaining all concerns / risks without his wife in the room.  I can’t recall once seeing that , not saying it never has happened , just that in todays litigious environment, it’s about full disclosure , getting documented signed consent and excluding a wife , unless they are already separated , seems very odd  to me. You could be right , just imo , these are family decisions. 
 

          About the Hamlin thing , it was presented by Dr peter McCullough , very well know cardiologist , founder of the Wellness company ( dr drew is also on its board, he of tv, mtv fame ) who make great medicine kits to have at your home for a variety of reasons.  I am pretty sure his video about that is still on YouTube.  His discussion also involved the increasing incidence of both clinical and sub clinical cases of myocarditis in young male athletes and increasing episodes Of sudden death in young males. This has even changed how preparticipaton sports exams are being done , with Florida and other states now requiring an ekg to help detect sub clinical (  asymptomatic ) myocarditis risk before being cleared.  That was always a very optional test as finding abnormalities was very, very , low.  
        Requirements vary state to state so there is no blanket policy. But Dr McCullough is a brilliant dr and has been on the leading edge of cardiology for some time , and his podasts, website , are supported by very high quality studies and literature.  He discussed Hamlin not getting the implanted defibrillator ( basically sudden death is the heart goes into a non sustainable rhythm and then it can’t pump effectively. The implanted defibrillator shocks it back to normal rhythm and normal pumping action returns).  He also, as an expert, has asked to review the case as that condition ( commotio cordis) is so extremely rare but has a reported 97% fatality rate if not treated within 3 minutes, so you can understand the benefit of an implanted defibrillator as even with AEDS more prevalent, time is heart tissue not getting oxygen.   The time frame as we can remember was correlated to the NFL requiring certain things for players at a specific time,( you know like Aaron Rodgers complied with)  and it is now a fact one of those things has subsequently been proven to cause myocarditis.  It is not safe to play sports with that condition, among many other cardiac syndromes without proper treatment and time. So this group of expert cardiologists I think are searching for honest transparency.
      I am not taking sides or claiming anything  , as these are expert opinions are way above my pay grade!  I do have faith in McCullough as he is a renowned clinician , so I do believe he is honestly concerned and just wants this nationally known case to help educate others and also be sure this great young man gets the best standard of care.
     I  just see some similarities with so many worried about Tua , yet there have been expert discussions going on concerning one of our own players , and no one reported this issue.  I think you can imagine why that has not hit the news or been widely reported. I certainly don’t claim to know the answer but if a condition was caused by blow to the chest , it just seems logical to me in that sport , there has to be risk of getting hit again.  Some people have been hit twice by lightning!  It is a fact other sudden death athlete survivors are not cleared to return to play without the implant. Obviously Hamlin has that passion I mentioned. ; he is a more courageous man than me.as I don’t know how he overcame normal fear to go back out there.  He and Tua are examples of loving what they do, and I don’t think their judgement should be anyone’s bustiness but their own.  I’m sure their faith plays a huge guiding role!  ✌️😊. Thanks again for for your thoughtful discussion and great points.  Go Bills! 
        

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

https://youtu.be/eO3-gVnck14?si=h1QDWi6lbg_zhKHA

 

Tua seemed pissed at his press conference ^.
 

You can definitely tell he feels singled out when it comes to missing time with concussions, and seemed annoyed at people telling him to retire. (Can't say I blame him there as it his life at the end of the day)

Yeah.  It's his life and who are we to pass judgment.  If your employer can't contractually force you to wear a Guardian's cap than that's their problem.  I'd pry retire with the money and enjoy the rest of my life sitting on a beach for the next 70 years not having to worry about another concussion.  However, the 26 year old me in that same situation would pry keep playing.

[nucci]

10 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

I don't want Tua to have a life altering (or ending) injury. But if you're a defender what are you going to do? As we kept pointing out, Tua lowers his head and effectively rams Hamlin on the play he was hurt. As you supposed to matador him? Are you not supposed to sack him? Even a completely legal good faith hit could be Tua's last in the NFL. I think it's crazy the Dolphins are doing it and says all I need to about their organization 

I remember Bills playing Pats near end of Grogan's career. He shouldn't have been playing and Bills were afraid to hit him hard. I think Bruce or Seals sacked him and basically gently put him down.

[Sierra Foothills]

17 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Is that why he said he wouldn't wear the guardian cap?

 

15 hours ago, DJB said:

That’s what he said. 
 

“Personal choice “

 

In addition, when asked about the risks of playing football he said it's also a risk to get out of bed and drive to work every day.

 

I guess he's been concussed so many times that he forgot to add that "people drown in bathtubs too."

 

Edited October 23 by Sierra Foothills

[njbuff]

The Dolphins really are in bad spot with this QB.

 

It’s only a matter of time before this limited QB gets concussed again and he’ll have to end his football career for good. Hopefully, not on bad terms.

 

And then the Dolphins will be back in QB purgatory.

[Sierra Foothills]

5 minutes ago, njbuff said:

The Dolphins really are in bad spot with this QB.

 

It’s only a matter of time before this limited QB gets concussed again and he’ll have to end his football career for good. Hopefully, not on bad terms.

 

And then the Dolphins will be back in QB purgatory.

 

On some level even with a healthy Tua they're already in QB purgatory... if you believe as I do that he's not good enough to win a Super Bowl with.

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

13 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

I'm sick to death of hearing about this subject, because there are always certain players like Ryan Clark who will get on TV and say no doctor or specialist told him not to play again, as if he is like any other player out there.

 

It's like a performer/stuntman who regularly risks their life, but one has hurt themselves so many times that they think they can keep doing what they love and one day, poof, they are hurt for life or worse. Tua's chances of really being hurt for life are much greater but he and players like Ryan Clark think he can play on. Stupid is as stupid does in this case it seems...

I think it was Luke Keuchley speaking on Tua if I remember right but he said Doctors aren’t going to tell Tua not to play again. They present data and then Tua will have to make a decision.

[DaVinci]

To play again is a selfish decision. The facts are incontroverible.  I realize he enjoys playing but  sometimes you have to put youre ball away be a man and do what is right for you and youre family. 

[RunTheBall]

Hasn’t every Miami QB this year gotten hurt behind that sieve of an O-line? He’s going to be under constant pressure.

 

Tua is definitely going to alter his game to Miami’s detriment. He’s never been a big runner but he’s not going to run at all now. Those balls are going to be coming out quicker than ever so cover his first read, as has been the book on him, and he won’t extend the play too long before chucking it OOB.

 

 

[Saxum]

https://www.si.com/nfl/dolphins/news/dolphins-bring-in-yet-another-new-quarterback-01jax23z5hgr

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Even as they're getting Tua Tagovailoa back from injured reserve, the Miami Dolphins are not done bringing in quarterbacks.

The team announced Wednesday it had signed veteran C.J. Beathard to the practice squad, making him the fifth quarterback on the roster at the moment.

 

Quite a collection they have.

[DrDawkinstein]

On 10/23/2024 at 8:34 AM, DaVinci said:

To play again is a selfish decision. The facts are incontroverible.  I realize he enjoys playing but  sometimes you have to put youre ball away be a man and do what is right for you and youre family. 

 

Most likely, this IS doing what is right for his family... according to his controlling father. Dad needs to get those millions in Tua's new contract to get the ROI on his kids.