Tua’s Broken Dome (now being placed on IR-out at least 4 games)

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

[Meatloaf63]

On 9/16/2024 at 8:35 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

and as soon as he was cleared to play again, all such talk stopped...

How long is the board gonna keep talking about it when the player decided he’s going to return? It was constantly talked about here, but his concussions were never as dramatic as Tua’s have been and he’s never sat out the time that Tua did. Apples to oranges for the most part. But your premise it wasn’t discussed is completely off base.

[Mr. WEO]

31 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

How long is the board gonna keep talking about it when the player decided he’s going to return? It was constantly talked about here, but his concussions were never as dramatic as Tua’s have been and he’s never sat out the time that Tua did. Apples to oranges for the most part. But your premise it wasn’t discussed is completely off base.

where were the calls for Morse to retire…after he was back in the lineup?

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

where were the calls for Morse to retire…after he was back in the lineup?

There actually were some people here who called for it 

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

There actually were some people here who called for it 

a couple maybe.  Everyone else was happy to have him back.  Which is my point

[JohnNord]

10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

a couple maybe.  Everyone else was happy to have him back.  Which is my point

It’s not really an equivalent situation though.  
 

Morse had multiple concussions over the span of his career starting in college.    
 

Tua had multiple concussions over the span of 2 seasons.  We’ve seen Tua move into the fencing response on two of those concussions generally indicating more severe trauma.
 

Not saying he should he retire but these situations aren’t the same 

[fergie's ire]

9 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

It’s not really an equivalent situation though.  
 

Morse had multiple concussions over the span of his career starting in college.    
 

Tua had multiple concussions over the span of 2 seasons.  We’ve seen Tua move into the fencing response on two of those concussions generally indicating more severe trauma.
 

Not saying he should he retire but these situations aren’t the same 

Yes, we didn't see Morse on the ground spasming.  I have heard a neurologist say that the "fencing posture" does not necessarily mean the concussion is worse, but it sure looks like it, which is important.  If you read that someone knocked his girlfriend out in an elevator and then dragged her out, it should not be worse to actually see video of it...but it is.  Appearances do matter and Tua's concussions appear scary.  Are they?  That's what his doctors are hopefully trying to figure out.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

It’s not really an equivalent situation though.  
 

Morse had multiple concussions over the span of his career starting in college.    
 

Tua had multiple concussions over the span of 2 seasons.  We’ve seen Tua move into the fencing response on two of those concussions generally indicating more severe trauma.
 

Not saying he should he retire but these situations aren’t the same 

the cumulative effects of Morses concussions are likely no different, in regard to his future neurological health,than Tua’s.  We’ve seen few other “fencing” posturing events with other players concussed, yet the results later in life aren’t different.  Based on all that is known about CTE, there is no difference.

 

Therefore it makes little sense to say that Morses countless concussions are very different than Tuas 2 big hits witnessed on TV

[Don Otreply]

On 9/18/2024 at 10:45 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

See above...

 

Also, I'm sure you understand that corporate takeover and downsizing layoffs/early retirement offers are not what are being discussed here.  We are talking about a single, particular employee getting fired without cause (i.e., if he is cleared to play)....

   First question, Is the NFL and its franchisee, the Miami Dolphins an “at will employment” situation? I don’t know the answer to that question. 

 

   Regardless of the above question, It is very likely Tua can be “fired / waived / cut”, after being cleared to play, the franchise isn’t legally required to maintain his employment anymore than any other player, Tua can be waived / cut for nearly any reason the franchise cares to use, (I,e., “we in good conscience are not willing to risk his health going forward” ) or whatever they may come up with, and there is virtually nothing Tua can do about it. 
   
   I’m not saying Miami should or will do the above, but like any corporation it certainly is within their capacity to do so if they feel inclined. 

 

 

[fergie's ire]

1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:

   First question, Is the NFL and its franchisee, the Miami Dolphins an “at will employment” situation? I don’t know the answer to that question. 

 

   Regardless of the above question, It is very likely Tua can be “fired / waived / cut”, after being cleared to play, the franchise isn’t legally required to maintain his employment anymore than any other player, Tua can be waived / cut for nearly any reason the franchise cares to use, (I,e., “we in good conscience are not willing to risk his health going forward” ) or whatever they may come up with, and there is virtually nothing Tua can do about it. 
   
   I’m not saying Miami should or will do the above, but like any corporation it certainly is within their capacity to do so if they feel inclined. 

 

 

However, if they did that they would be saying he is healthy so could not collect on the insurance. His money is guaranteed. From what I understand his guaranteed money was about 160 million and his cap hit this year is 10 million.  So, if they do as you say, all Tua could do is walk away with his 150 million in his pocket (because it would be due as soon as they cut him) and the Dolphins would have a 150 million dollar dead cap hit next year.  That would make it tough to field a team.

[Mr. WEO]

41 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

   First question, Is the NFL and its franchisee, the Miami Dolphins an “at will employment” situation? I don’t know the answer to that question. 

 

   Regardless of the above question, It is very likely Tua can be “fired / waived / cut”, after being cleared to play, the franchise isn’t legally required to maintain his employment anymore than any other player, Tua can be waived / cut for nearly any reason the franchise cares to use, (I,e., “we in good conscience are not willing to risk his health going forward” ) or whatever they may come up with, and there is virtually nothing Tua can do about it. 
   
   I’m not saying Miami should or will do the above, but like any corporation it certainly is within their capacity to do so if they feel inclined. 

 

 

players are considered employees of the team.

 

of course any player can be cut at any time for any reason or no reason at all.  I’ve acknowledged this multiple times already.  “The NFL” can’t fire him.  If cut, any team can sign him. 

[Don Otreply]

37 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:

However, if they did that they would be saying he is healthy so could not collect on the insurance. His money is guaranteed. From what I understand his guaranteed money was about 160 million and his cap hit this year is 10 million.  So, if they do as you say, all Tua could do is walk away with his 150 million in his pocket (because it would be due as soon as they cut him) and the Dolphins would have a 150 million dollar dead cap hit next year.  That would make it tough to field a team.

Didn’t say that they would. Only that they could, they as well “could “ sit him for a season or two, then.. 

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

players are considered employees of the team.

 

of course any player can be cut at any time for any reason or no reason at all.  I’ve acknowledged this multiple times already.  “The NFL” can’t fire him.  If cut, any team can sign him. 

Yup, 

[Figster]

18 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

where were the calls for Morse to retire…after he was back in the lineup?

Lineman need to be wearing the Guardian cap more then any other player/position IMO. The constant clash of the heads is the most cumulative IMO.

 

Big players, Guardian cap will be less noticeable, and what do they care.

 

Wear the Guardian Cap.

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, Figster said:

Lineman need to be wearing the Guardian cap more then any other player/position IMO. The constant clash of the heads is the most cumulative IMO.

 

Big players, Guardian cap will be less noticeable, and what do they care.

 

Wear the Guardian Cap.

players aren’t interested, bizarrely 

[Figster]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

players aren’t interested, bizarrely 

It would be interesting If owners could offer a player bonus for wearing them.

 

Win, win, win for all concerned. 

[Saint Doug]

21 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

where were the calls for Morse to retire…after he was back in the lineup?

None of us saw Morse laying on his back trying to play Cats Cradle with hands. 

[RunTheBall]

Is there any data that show the Guardian cap decreases the risk of concussions? 

[4merper4mer]

5 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

None of us saw Morse laying on his back trying to play Cats Cradle with hands. 

Dude just hates the Bills.  

[Beast]

At what point does the NFL step in and say “no more, you’re done”?

 

After all, the NFL is the business being sued by former players for concussion issues they have later in life.

[Irv]