Tua’s Broken Dome (now being placed on IR-out at least 4 games)

[Big Turk]

Not a surprise...hard to give up $124 million which is what he would be doing if he did retire...

 

Seeing concussion specialists to determine timeline for return, possibly the same ones as last time.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/tagovailoa-not-retire-per-report-141752453.html

Edited September 15 by Big Turk

[Matt_In_NH]

Everyone thinks they are concussion experts

[Beast]

Fine. Let him take the field. I’ll have no sympathy when they have to cart him off again and he becomes a drooling freak in a wheel chair, scaring his grand kids.

 

He’ll probably then sue the NFL and claim it’s their fault.

 

 

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Everyone thinks they are concussion experts

 

Even concussion experts don't necessarily agree. There isn't enough data or knowledge in these situations to make definitive statements about if he is in more danger than others would be from lesser concussions.

 

Common sense seems to say that worse trauma to the brain is definitely more worrying than lesser trauma, but realistically all trauma is bad.

 

The fact that he got concussed on a routine hit is more worrying than anything, IMO.

 

Showing that it will likely take less and less to cause future concussions now.

Edited September 15 by Big Turk

[H2o]

If he was smart, he would retire. If the Dolphins and the rest of the NFL truly cared about this guy's personal well being, the Dolphins would shut him down. Then they would find a way working with the NFL to force him out of the game. I don't care if it's a silent "blackball" scenario or what. If he won't do it himself, then they need to do it for him. His four concussions have been pretty scary, and those are just the ones I have seen. There have to be more he's suffered. 

[Low Positive]

He can't give up. His father would never let him. He says with a smile that he beat a 17yo with a belt for throwing INTs in high school football games. This is the underlying factor that no one wants to discuss. 

 

[Success]

I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one:  haven't other players (including Mitch Morse) had more concussions than Tua?

 

[FLFan]

11 hours ago, mikemac2001 said:

Ya this is why I can’t respect all of mcdanials bs he sent him out there twice like nothing happened 

Yes.  The OP here is exactly right.  McDaniels decision to send Tua back out against the Bills was directly responsible for what happened to him 4 days later, and perhaps is responsible for the severity of the on-going risk he now faces.  The entire Dolphins organization should be ashamed of themselves at the very least.  How anyone can have respect for that dweeb is beyond me. 

[Low Positive]

Just now, FLFan said:

Yes.  The OP here is exactly right.  McDaniels decision to send Tua back out against the Bills was directly responsible for what happened to him 4 days later, and perhaps is responsible for the severity of the on-going risk he now faces.  The entire Dolphins organization should be ashamed of themselves at the very least.  How anyone can have respect for that dweeb is beyond me. 

I remember that game. The announcers said that Tua's parents were in the stadium and that they went down to the locker room. Then he came back out with a "back injury." I think that had more to do with it than McDaniel.  

[Big Turk]

13 minutes ago, H2o said:

If he was smart, he would retire. If the Dolphins and the rest of the NFL truly cared about this guy's personal well being, the Dolphins would shut him down. Then they would find a way working with the NFL to force him out of the game. I don't care if it's a silent "blackball" scenario or what. If he won't do it himself, then they need to do it for him. His four concussions have been pretty scary, and those are just the ones I have seen. There have to be more he's suffered. 

 

I have thought about this. I wouldn't be surprised if Goodell tells the independent neurologists(who the NFL foots the bill for, BTW) to never clear him again.

 

He was in attendance for the game and saw the fencing reaction where his arm goes up involuntarily and his fingers become rigidly curled. Second time the entire nation has seen that on National TV in a few years.

 

At a time when the youth football participation rate is sharply declining due to fears of exactly this type of stuff, does Goodell want to expose the audience to this repeatedly? Lots of players have been concussed, don't ever remember seeing a player do that other than Tua.

 

Whether or not it's more serious, it LOOKS more serious and is jarring to see that...it's something people will remember far, far more than just a player being sent to blue medical tent and ruled out.

 

The NFL has spent decades turning football into the monster it has become dominating ratings and TV and bringing in huge revenue. Tua can undo more of this than any other person, player or thing right now. 

 

Would not shock me to see them reach some agreement with Tua and his agent and force an NDA signing for him to get a fully paid out contract for him to just walk away.

8 minutes ago, Success said:

I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one:  haven't other players (including Mitch Morse) had more concussions than Tua?

 

 

Yes. None to my knowledge have gone into the fencing posture that Tua has done twice now tho.

Edited September 15 by Big Turk

[Bockeye]

Morse had 6 concussions in 8 years. Not sure if he ever had any fencing episodes like Tua. 
 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/12/19/23515725/mitch-morse-concussion-history-bills-chiefs

Edited September 15 by Bockeye

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 9/14/2024 at 11:16 AM, Buddy Hix said:

When I saw McDaniel asking people not to bring up Tua’s future, I could only laugh. I immediately thought about that “back injury” and how complicit he and the Fins franchise are Tua’s situation.

Definitely agree and this is more devils advocate than anything, but knowing the nfl the ‘independent’ neuros probably do everything they can to clear star players in big games.  It’s possible the dolphins just went along with what they said.  They still could’ve chosen to hold him out though so McDaniel absolutely would get some blame even in that case

 

crazy to think they risked tuas career for that one win and still didn’t win the division 

Edited September 15 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I have thought about this. I wouldn't be surprised if Goodell tells the independent neurologists(who the NFL foots the bill for, BTW) to never clear him again.

 

He was in attendance for the game and saw the fencing reaction where his arm goes up involuntarily and his fingers become rigidly curled. Second time the entire nation has seen that on National TV in a few years.

 

At a time when the youth football participation rate is sharply declining due to fears of exactly this type of stuff, does Goodell want to expose the audience to this repeatedly? Lots of players have been concussed, don't ever remember seeing a player do that other than Tua.

 

Whether or not it's more serious, it LOOKS more serious and is jarring to see that...it's something people will remember far, far more than just a player being sent to blue medical tent and ruled out.

 

The NFL has spent decades turning football into the monster it has become dominating ratings and TV and bringing in huge revenue. Tua can undo more of this than any other person, player or thing right now. 

 

Would not shock me to see them reach some agreement with Tua and his agent and force an NDA signing for him to get a fully paid out contract for him to just walk away.

But you can get concussion playing soccer, the sport that a lot of parents think is safer. My son had at least three, and my daughter had more than 3 (they don't always tell you). My son's all came from going up for headers while my daughter took a knee to the head one time that knocked her out (she played keeper). One of my son's teammates got a concussion and the trainer let him go back into the game (it was a HS playoff game). My son said he asked if we had won the game on the bus ride home. He had scored the game winning goal.  

[FLFan]

6 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

I remember that game. The announcers said that Tua's parents were in the stadium and that they went down to the locker room. Then he came back out with a "back injury." I think that had more to do with it than McDaniel.  

McDaniel is in charge of that team.  It is his decision, not Tua’s or his parents, nor the doctors. (Unless they rule him out) He blew it because he is an immature jerk and a poor leader.  A real adult in the room would have sat him down.  

[Low Positive]

Just now, FLFan said:

McDaniel is in charge of that team.  It is his decision, not Tua’s or his parents, nor the doctors. (Unless they rule him out) He blew it because he is an immature jerk and a poor leader.  A real adult in the room would have sat him down.  

Him not being the adult in the room is probably the problem.

[TheFunPolice]

Something I haven't seen mentioned is that it's not impossible that Tua took a few hits earlier in the game or even the Jaguars game that had dinged him up enough that one seemingly routine play out him over the edge.

 

That's what I would be concerned about. 2/3 of the plays that he suffered diagnosed concussions did not appear to be particularly hard hits. 

 

The Bengals game one he was ragdolled. But other than that, were talking about routine football plays 

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

21 minutes ago, SCBills said:

It’s Tua’s decision and more power to him if he wants to come back, but man.. the Dolphins are basically held hostage at this point now.

 

Theres really no way to properly build a team around a guy who’s a routine tackle away from missing multiple games at any moment and will have the retirement conversation brought up everytime time it happens. 
 

Tough spot for all involved. 

 

Yes, it is tough for all involved.

 

Tua coming out so quickly about a decision like this seems rash.  He has plenty of time to go get evaluated and let the drama settle down.

I guess we will see if the Miami Dolphins organization lets him make all the decisions or they do something like putting him on IR for 4 weeks.

Probably won't hear about anything like that until later in the week.

 

I'll repeat what I said earlier, I feel bad for all the defensive players who have to play against him.  Same goes for the refs.

If he does continue to play, there can't be any "preferential treatment" given to him.

 

[JohnNord]

30 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Everyone thinks they are concussion experts

Or they just have common sense…

[Sierra Foothills]

So now we're going in circles again... people repeating stuff that's already been written in this topic.

 

Par for the course.

 

29 minutes ago, SCBills said:

It’s Tua’s decision and more power to him if he wants to come back, but man.. the Dolphins are basically held hostage at this point now.

 

Theres really no way to properly build a team around a guy who’s a routine tackle away from missing multiple games at any moment and will have the retirement conversation brought up everytime time it happens. 
 

Tough spot for all involved. 

 

I see storm clouds on the horizon.

 

People keep saying "it's Tua's decision" but (and I'm not a doctor or a lawyer) I believe there's a scenario whereby the NFL and/or the Dolphins do not clear him to play. Either way it'll be a field day for the lawyers.

 

29 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Not a surprise...hard to give up $124 million which is what he would be doing if he did retire...

 

Seeing concussion specialists to determine timeline for return, possibly the same ones as last time.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/tagovailoa-not-retire-per-report-141752453.html

 

He's already made $73 million in his career. Also there's the possibility of a settlement. If Tua wants to maximize his earnings without playing he would act as if it's his intention to play. That is the smart move so that his buyout in a settlement would be higher.

 

26 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Everyone thinks they are concussion experts

 

This misses the point. Even the experts are disagreeing over this because brain injuries are not an exact science.

 

22 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Even concussion experts don't necessarily agree. There isn't enough data or knowledge in these situations to make definitive statements about if he is in more danger than others would be from lesser concussions.

 

Common sense seems to say that worse trauma to the brain is definitely more worrying than lesser trauma, but realistically all trauma is bad.

 

The fact that he got concussed on a routine hit is more worrying than anything, IMO.

 

Showing that it will likely take less and less to cause future concussions now.

 

Thank you. You are correct.

 

14 minutes ago, Success said:

I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one:  haven't other players (including Mitch Morse) had more concussions than Tua?

 

This was also addressed upthread. There are different severities. Tua has twice exhibited a "fencing response." He was concussed very badly and then re-entered the same game. Then he played and was concussed 4 days later. This is likely VERY different from what Morse went through.

 

7 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

I have thought about this. I wouldn't be surprised if Goodell tells the independent neurologists(who the NFL foots the bill for, BTW) to never clear him again.

 

He was in attendance for the game and saw the fencing reaction where his arm goes up involuntarily and his fingers become rigidly curled. Second time the entire nation has seen that on National TV in a few years.

 

At a time when the youth football participation rate is sharply declining due to fears of exactly this type of stuff, does Goodell want to expose the audience to this repeatedly? Lots of players have been concussed, don't ever remember seeing a player do that other than Tua.

 

Whether or not it's more serious, it LOOKS more serious and is jarring to see that...it's something people will remember far, far more than just a player being sent to blue medical tent and ruled out.

 

The NFL has spent decades turning football into the monster it has become dominating ratings and TV and bringing in huge revenue. Tua can undo more of this than any other person, player or thing right now. 

 

Would not shock me to see them reach some agreement with Tua and his agent and force an NDA signing for him to get a fully paid out contract for him to just walk away.

 

Yes. None to my knowledge have gone into the fencing posture that Tua has done twice now tho.

 

Agreed. At some point the league and/or the team has to start shedding liability in the event Tua is killed on the field or spends the rest of his life with a colostomy bag attached to his jaw.

 

5 minutes ago, Bockeye said:

Morse had 6 concussions in 8 years. Not sure if he ever had any fencing episodes like Tua. 
 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/12/19/23515725/mitch-morse-concussion-history-bills-chiefs

 

Exactly. Several have brought up Morse as if his situation is equivalent.

 

AGAIN, look at the video of Tua's concussions... 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheFunPolice]

I never thought he would retire. All the "this is it for him" talk seemed like talking heads manifesting more than reality.

 

To be 100% honest, if I were him I probably would not retire either despite the obvious risks. People do far more dangerous work every day for a hell of a lot less money.

 

I would probably talk myself into taking additional steps equipment wise, playing the game a bit differently to protect myself and buying into the idea that a lot of it was just bad luck. 

 

Plus Mitch Morse and other players have continued to play at far more physical positions where the risk of smacking helmets is almost 100%.

 

Not saying it's the "right" choice but it's his identity and his career. I wouldn't be able to walk away and would have to be told no by the team and league, which is not going to happen for obvious reasons. 

Edited September 15 by TheFunPolice