Alpha's Week 1 recap and film review

[Simon]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think as teams got tape on him they have exploited his weaknesses more as its gone on.

 

That issue with his inside shoulder is absolutely legit.

[Gambit]

7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If that was an A+, what was Gabe vs. KC?

OMG, we get it! You're clearly in love with Gabe. 

[Simon]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

QB: A+
WR: B

TE: C

OL: A-

RB: B-

 

I'd be good with these, although I may have been a little more generous with the Backs by leaving out that minus and the WR's by adding a plus to that B.

[QCity]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

TE's - Grade A

On one hand, it feels weird giving a group an A that had 2 catches, but honestly, they did nothing wrong.  AZ focused on Kincaid and he sold his routes that opened up the field for everyone else.  

• This is EXACTLY what I said all offseason to the "but Diggs is gone to draw double teams" crowd.  It was unrealistic to think that no one else was going to attract extra attention just because Diggs is gone.  And I pointed out guys like Kincaid, spying Allen, and trying to defend Keon's size is going to take extra attention.  Literally all 3 of those things were on full display week 1. 
  • DISCLAIMER:  Its just one week, we still need to see what this all looks like as DC's get more film and try to adjust to this new look offense.   But none the less is exactly what I and many others expected to see. 

 

For reference, what would it take for them to get a "D" grade? Would they have to just fall over at the line of scrimmage? To get an "F" would they have to, like, turn around and start sacking Allen themselves? 😂 

 

You and "many others" expected to see Kincaid with 1 rec a game?? I must have missed that thread.

[julian]

And outta the woodwork come the posters to tell everyone they didn’t like O’Cyrus to begin with lol.

 

 The kid is clearly struggling early this year, I’m going to guess losing the veteran Morse to his left is effecting his play to some degree and he has some work to do to get back on track.

[MJS]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 Got you fam:

QB: A+
WR: B

TE: C

OL: A-

RB: B-

But did you watch film?

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I'd be good with these, although I may have been a little more generous with the Backs by leaving out that minus and the WR's by adding a plus to that B.

Fair…I think it’s especially fair for the backs. I thought Cook made the most of his chances. 

[Simon]

14 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

For reference, what would it take for them to get a "D" grade? Would they have to just fall over at the line of scrimmage? To get an "F" would they have to, like, turn around and start sacking Allen themselves? 😂 

 

 

This is funny.

But I don't believe for a second that Kincaid or Knox could tackle Allen.

 

11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Fair…I think it’s especially fair for the backs. I thought Cook made the most of his chances. 

 

Agreed.

And I also really liked what I saw from the rookie Davis in his first NFL game

[GASabresIUFan]

11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Oh, I see what you did there!! Creative!!

 

Let me ask again, Gabe had 8 catches for 201 yards and 4 TDs, what was the grade if this was an A+? 

That was Gabe's career day and he gets a gold star. Different offense and different OC and and it's completely irrelevant to our discussion.

 

Please don't avoid the question.  What were our WR group supposed to do on Sunday that they didn't do? The only thing missing was a HR ball and that clearly wasn't in the game plan as Josh only threw two deep balls because of the wind.  One of the deep balls was caught by Coleman on a excellent side line grab and the other was a missed throw by Josh.  Again what more were they supposed to do? 

Edited September 10 by GASabresIUFan

[Augie]

If we went to Pass/Fail, we’d still find ways to argue about it. That’s just how it works. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

For reference, what would it take for them to get a "D" grade? Would they have to just fall over at the line of scrimmage? To get an "F" would they have to, like, turn around and start sacking Allen themselves? 😂 

 

You and "many others" expected to see Kincaid with 1 rec a game?? I must have missed that thread.

 

To answer your question, they would have had to do their jobs poorly.  Show me the film that shows them doing a poor job and I will happily change my grade.  You seem to want to base it on stats, but they can only catch what is thrown to them.  Allen only completed 18 passes Sunday, and that was to 9 different players.  

 

And what does a poor outing look like...not getting open, not making their blocks, dropping passes, bad penalties, etc.  None of that occurred.  Instead, what the film showed was there were plenty more opportunities to throw them the ball, but Allen had multiple choices and spread the ball around.  They blocked well, and despite one catch, Kincaid sold his routes well that opened up the field for other players.

For me, they did exactly what was asked of them.   

[Kirby Jackson]

12 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

That was Gabe's career day and he gets a gold star. Different offense and different OC and and it's completely irrelevant to our discussion.

 

Please don't avoid the question.  What were our WR group supposed to do on Sunday that they didn't do? The only thing missing was a HR ball and that clearly wasn't in the game plan as Josh only threw two deep balls because of the wind.  One of the deep balls was caught by Coleman on a excellent side line grab and the other was a missed throw by Josh.  Again what more were they supposed to do? 

If this is an “A+” what was that? 
 

They were fine. They didn’t change the game. How many plays did Josh scramble because someone wasn’t open? How many times did he go to a 2nd or 3rd read? I don’t know. You don’t know. I gave them a “B” and am okay at a “B+.” They played well. That’s not an “A+.”

[Einstein's Dog]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

For me, they did exactly what was asked of them.   

And this is where I think the difference is, giving an A grade for doing what was asked, when you are not asking a lot.

 

For me, what I liked about the pass catchers were the lack of drops - the sure hands.  I hope that continues.

[QCity]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

To answer your question, they would have had to do their jobs poorly.  Show me the film that shows them doing a poor job and I will happily change my grade.  You seem to want to base it on stats, but they can only catch what is thrown to them.  Allen only completed 18 passes Sunday, and that was to 9 different players.  

 

And what does a poor outing look like...not getting open, not making their blocks, dropping passes, bad penalties, etc.  None of that occurred.  Instead, what the film showed was there were plenty more opportunities to throw them the ball, but Allen had multiple choices and spread the ball around.  They blocked well, and despite one catch, Kincaid sold his routes well that opened up the field for other players.

For me, they did exactly what was asked of them.   

 

Come on, now. There's a liiiiiiitle bit of an agenda behind these grades.  I'm getting "Sammy Watkins is a great decoy" vibes here.

[Augie]

In high school I think it took a 93 to get an A. I figured any more than that was wasted energy but gave me a little cushion. I was an A student with a 93 average when I graduated. No wasted energy. 

 

Grades are funny. 

 

The Bills did what they had to do, and I feel good about most of what I saw. It wasn’t a game you’re going to tell the grandkids about. 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

21 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

And this is where I think the difference is, giving an A grade for doing what was asked, when you are not asking a lot.

 

For me, what I liked about the pass catchers were the lack of drops - the sure hands.  I hope that continues.

 

And that is fair, although I think you are taking my words a bit more vanilla and of context of what I was implying, but I get where you are coming from.  I already posted this earlier in this thread a page or two back, but posting here again to show where my personal grading scale is impacted above the stat sheet and what I mean doing everything that was asked of them, and at a high level.  

 

Look at the Hollins block on the Nickel here.  That is executing at a high level, an A+ block on this play that was vital to the outcome.  Then look at Coleman, again, another instance of where Coleman completely took his defender out of the play to keep him from preventing the TD.  That was an A+ block on this play as well.  Then you have Dawkins destroying the safety too, again, an A+ play...and all of that was equally necessary for Shakir to make what was maybe the play of the game, and certain A+ play to get in and score on this.  All 4 of those guys execution on this play had to happen, and 3 of them were WR's, or Shakir doesn't get in for the TD in a game we won by 6.  

 

In my personal grading style, this stands out for me.  And this was not an isolated incident.  Keon, Shakir, and especially Hollins were all over the field blocking on plays the pass went to someone else, runs, or scrambles.  So, I value this a lot personally, and hence where my personal grade came from.

 

 

Edited September 10 by Alphadawg7

[Alphadawg7]

19 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Come on, now. There's a liiiiiiitle bit of an agenda behind these grades.  I'm getting "Sammy Watkins is a great decoy" vibes here.

 

Ha good throwback reference with Sammy, man am I glad those days are gone haha   

 

But not sure what agenda you think I have is, but I can assure you there was no agenda on my TE grade.  If you want to show me film of them doing their job poorly, I am happy to revisit it, I just didn't personally see it...it's just as simple as that for me. 

 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Given so much talk has come about regarding my receiver grade, let me provide a single example of what I am talking about when I said they earned their A grade.

 

This is the Shakir TD, and I just went to Twitter to get the clip where it shows all the replay angles so you can see all the great team play on this TD.  Ironically the person posting this also is pointing out all the people around Shakir like Hollins making key plays for this TD to be possible.  

 

You will see Hollins just wipe out the Nickel off the snap.  Coleman blocks his guy all the way into the endzone to keep him from coming up and stopping the TD.  Dawkins just destroys the safety.  All these things led to Shakir's doing what he does best and utilizing his YAC and strength to get this all the way to the endzone.

 

This is what an A+ performances look like that you don't find on stat sheets or fantasy football scores.  And this is not an isolated play, this was happening all over the field on passes and runs.  This play does not happen if any one of those blocks don't happen.

 

If people don't think this is valuable and deserves to be part of a players grade, then I will just have to say let's agree to disagree.  These are things that earn a guy like Davis a game ball against Dallas when he had 0 targets and no stats but still heavily impacted the game.

 

Josh Allen has no help.  He did that all by himself and this roster is void of talent outside of Josh.

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

It is going to be interesting to see how they handle Knox this offseason.  His cap hit is going to cause something to happen this offseason, and Kincaid looked much improved as a blocker at least this first week.  I wonder if Kincaid keeps showing he can be a better blocker and more complete TE than was say expected when we drafted him, it makes me curious to how they will view Knox this offseason.  I forget exactly what it is, but if I am not mistaken I think Knox cap hit next year is like $14M or something like that.  

If i am not mistaken, I think Knox took a paycut this year for more job security in 2025.

 

I am not 100 percent sure of the contract details, but I believe I remember hearing that Knox is basically on the team for 2025.

 

Edit: ya if I am reading it correctly, his cap hit is 14 mil next year but his dead cap would be 16 so he is on the team barring anything crazy

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/29132/dawson-knox

Edited September 10 by BillsFan130

[QB Bills]

As usual, impressive how well op's spelling and grammar is while typing with pompoms on. 

 

If that was a straight A effort and we only beat the f'n Cardinals by a failed Hail Mary, then I'm officially worried about the rest of the season.