Von Miller proves the doubters wrong

[RiotAct]

This is one decision that Beane would definitely like to have back, so to speak.

[BillsFan130]

24 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

This is one decision that Beane would definitely like to have back, so to speak.

And the Josh Allen one. Still can't believe he passed on Josh Rosen

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

A lot of you don't know what you are talking about and it shows. Von had very consistent pressure all game long.  You just choose to not see it with the mob mentality that goes on here

 

I saw negative plays. He had some good rushes, no finish. But to me since returning he’s looked a step slower.

 

I defended him previously. 

[Kelly to Allen]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think this is absolutely it. He can still get out of his stance fast, but what made him special was at the top of the bend he could explode again towards the Quarterback. He'd get to the top of his bend and then hit 5th gear in his dip inside. That is what is not there anymore. Which is why he can still get pressure when he is on his game but can't finish like he used to. 

He showed that bend and acceleration on the pass rush arc on the sack vs the jaguars....

 

That was a prime Von sack 

 

He's being paced because we need that for the playoffs. 

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

This is one decision that Beane would definitely like to have back, so to speak.

That will be decided in the playoffs. 

Vintage Von spin move 

 

[Savage]

3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

A lot of you don't know what you are talking about and it shows. Von had very consistent pressure all game long.  You just choose to not see it with the mob mentality that goes on here

 

How is “ pressure” defined?

 

[Kelly to Allen]

 

 

Prime Von Miller with the same move in Denver 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

Prime Von Miller with the same move in Denver 

 

 

His sacks vs the Dolphins and Jags were excellent plays. I just don't know where they have been since. 

[Kelly to Allen]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

His sacks vs the Dolphins and Jags were excellent plays. I just don't know where they have been since. 

 

 

I think he's not in his prime anymore and has to pick and choose while also protecting himself for the playoffs. 

 

I know ppl don't want to hear that 

 

Playoff Von will be going all out and I anticipate his snap count will be in the 60% range. In the div RDS and especially in the AFC championship/ super bowl it will get close to 75%

Edited Tuesday at 04:11 PM by Kelly to Allen

[transplantbillsfan]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

We agreed on 6 sacks as the metric. He needs 2 in the final 2 games to even get to that pretty low bar. 

 

You won't be getting many victory laps.

 

EDIT: and I am completely objective on it. See the thread @Savage started questioning his game Sunday. I defended Von. He played well v New England. I'd say one of his 3 best games of the year with Miami road and Indy. I am just a truth teller on this topic rather than someone clinging to a narrative.

 

Is 6 sacks what we agreed on? I didn't realize we agreed on any metric, I was referring to your "5 percent chance..." comment. I'm sure you remember that one.

 

And also, he may have 4 sacks, but how many pressures does he have? I can think of several occasions he didn't get a sack but he either forced an incompletion or caused a sack for one of his teammates. I listen to a LOT of different football podcasts (Bills and non-Bills... he was one of the studs for Joe Marinothis week in his All-22 review) and repeatedly they talk about pressures being more indicative of the pass rushers.

 

And then there's what he's been doing in the run game.

[Dablitzkrieg]

2 hours ago, Savage said:

How is “ pressure” defined?

 

Do you have the Google machine?  Look it up

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Is 6 sacks what we agreed on? I didn't realize we agreed on any metric, I was referring to your "5 percent chance..." comment. I'm sure you remember that one.

 

 

Yep. I do. I suppose it depends how you value the contibution of 4 sacks and 5 tackles for loss. And sure, he has had some pressures too - and in some games he has looked decent. But there have been a lot more where he has been quiet as hell.

[FireChans]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. I do. I suppose it depends how you value the contibution of 4 sacks and 5 tackles for loss. And sure, he has had some pressures too - and in some games he has looked decent. But there have been a lot more where he has been quiet as hell.

Von was cooked the second Transplant picked up his banner tbh.

[transplantbillsfan]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. I do. I suppose it depends how you value the contibution of 4 sacks and 5 tackles for loss. And sure, he has had some pressures too - and in some games he has looked decent. But there have been a lot more where he has been quiet as hell.

 

I don't know man... Von has been exponentially better than you said he'd be in the offseason when you essentially said he was a replacement level player.

 

As for pressures, according to PFF right now he has 30 pressures in 262 snaps. That's the 50th most pressures in the 105th most snaps.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/von-miller/6154

Much more of a player than you thought he'd be. And if he does end up with 2 sacks in the final 2 weeks he would have met whatever criteria you were referring to while missing 4 games.

[SoonerBillsFan]

The original post aged badly lol.  He needs to go this next offseason.

[H2o]

Von is not the player he once was. Neither are most players at 35. Hopefully, he can get a key pressure or get to the QB at the most necessary of moments in the Playoffs. That's what we brought him here for in the first place. 

[Breakout Squad]

10 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

Prime Von Miller with the same move in Denver 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He looks so much better in this clip. I’m glad you posted it. He has not shown that explosiveness since the injury.

[TurfToeJam]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I don't know man... Von has been exponentially better than you said he'd be in the offseason when you essentially said he was a replacement level player.

 

As for pressures, according to PFF right now he has 30 pressures in 262 snaps. That's the 50th most pressures in the 105th most snaps.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/von-miller/6154

Much more of a player than you thought he'd be. And if he does end up with 2 sacks in the final 2 weeks he would have met whatever criteria you were referring to while missing 4 games.

 

 

Pro football reference lists him as having  14 pressures....

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/von-millei guessr/6154#seasonStatsWidget

 

Player profiler has him as having 21 pressures....

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/von-miller/

 

 

Plus I think it would be better if they'd give the sack numbers/pressures /etc... as a percentage of % per play  instead of per game.  Cause von pretty much is sees the field only on 3rd down and passing plays.  

 

No matter which numbers you use,  his numbers look bad based on how much he is paid

Edited yesterday at 02:16 AM by TurfToeJam

[PromoTheRobot]

22 hours ago, Savage said:

How is “ pressure” defined?

 

Being in the same zip code as the QB.

22 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

 

I think he's not in his prime anymore and has to pick and choose while also protecting himself for the playoffs. 

 

I know ppl don't want to hear that 

 

Playoff Von will be going all out and I anticipate his snap count will be in the 60% range. In the div RDS and especially in the AFC championship/ super bowl it will get close to 75%

I hope that the case.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I don’t think we use him right. I think a better DC would find ways to get more out of him. The guy is a first ballot HOFer and still very quick off the snap. I’d use him say more as a LB. I’d have him out there with 4 down linemen, not as a down lineman. Line him up at SLB bring him on constant blitzes standing while another DE can take on the block directly. Move him around let him blitz from a standing up position from all over the field. Make the offense find him and decide wether they want to adjust protection towards him or 50. I think we have a guy that can be a weapon and we are just wasting him. We have good players on this defense the coaching is horrendous 

Edited 14 hours ago by Brianmoorman4jesus