Von Miller proves the doubters wrong

[Solomon Grundy]

46 minutes ago, stuvian said:

We have learned that absent a Bradley Chubb or Aaron Donald, Von Miller is just a guy 

Bradley Chubb?? Stop it!! Look for Playoff Von folks. He'll be a difference maker. I'd rather be focusing on the back half of the defense as opposed to Von Miller. 

[T.E.]

54 minutes ago, stuvian said:

We have learned that absent a Bradley Chubb or Aaron Donald, Von Miller is just a guy 

Von Miller averaged double-digit sacks every year for eight seasons before Bradley Chubb was even drafted.

 

Do you think, maybe, he's just older and dealing with multiple ACL tears over his career?

[JP51]

7 minutes ago, T.E. said:

Von Miller averaged double-digit sacks every year for eight seasons before Bradley Chubb was even drafted.

 

Do you think, maybe, he's just older and dealing with multiple ACL tears over his career?

Father time is currently undefeated.... 

[Magox]

For those that are implying that Von Miller has been playing at a “meh” level, you’re talking out your ass and have no idea what you are talking about.

 

He’s been excellent against the run and has been getting lots of pressures, considerably higher than your average DE.

 

I believe he’s going to ball out come the playoffs.

[Magox]

2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

For the doubters, here you go!

 

 

[Doc]

Chubb's a schlub.  He's averaged just under 7 sacks/season.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Kelly to Allen said:

 

25 min to show a handful of plays—a few of which actually show him getting swallowed up in a double team or getting on the pile. 
 

high impact players don’t require Zapruder film level analysis
 

 

2 hours ago, Simon said:

 

He's winning a lot of reps and affecting both the pass and run game.

It's infrequent because of his usage, but it is there.

I expect them to cut him loose when it counts in a few weeks; I just hope his conditioning is where it needs to be.

 

I doubt they holding him back….

 

it wasn’t that long ago where many were parsing every play of teen sensation Tremaine Edmunds to convince everyone else how good he is (we just don’t know what we are looking at, etc). 

[Cash]

7 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I agree with this. Signing Miller wasn't a mistake; it was a decision that didn't work out. We have no way of knowing how much he would have contributed if he hadn't injured his knee.  He looked good before it happened; he hasn't had his special magic since he came back.  In Detroit, he did his job and played his position, but he never really won one-on-one.  Still, there's time. Two or three timely sacks in the playoffs will make everyone happy the Bills have him. 

I like this phrasing. There is no such thing as a risk-free decision in the NFL. The risk they took signing Miller didn’t exactly pan out. But it was a calculated decision on their part, weighing the upside against the risk. And given how good Miller looked pre-injury - particularly his clutch performances in big games - I can’t kill the decision making.
 

Best case scenario would be Miller salvaging some major value with a clutch sack or two in playoff victories. Im not expecting it but I don’t think it’s crazy. I’ve been watching him a lot of defense all year. I was pretty encouraged by his play early in the year, but IMO he hasn’t looked the same the last few weeks. I don’t think he’s looked awful, just a lot less impressed than I was early on. My hope is that he’s taking it easy by his standards, either because he’s only got so much left in the tank, and he’s trying to save it for the playoffs. It's also possible that Miller’s faced some tough matchups the last few weeks and has been getting beat.

[jlgarsh]

I thought he looked good against the Lions. Was getting held like crazy but didn't get the calls unfortunately. 

[Breakout Squad]

How in the hell is Von playing well? He goes out wide every time. He looks like he is just going through the motions. Does it ever look like he’s giving 100% when he’s rushing the QB? 
 

The only contract worse than Von’s is Deshaun Watson. 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

So I guess what is lost in all of this is the experience, instruction and leadership that Von Miller provides. He HAS WON a Super Bowl, and that sort of experience cannot be duplicated. Don't you think that the players interact with him frequently in these moments when the playoffs are on the horizon?

 

The things that you DON'T SEE could tip the season in our favor in the playoffs... one or two observations or teaching moments by Von could be the difference in winning it all.

[Breakout Squad]

1 hour ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

So I guess what is lost in all of this is the experience, instruction and leadership that Von Miller provides. He HAS WON a Super Bowl, and that sort of experience cannot be duplicated. Don't you think that the players interact with him frequently in these moments when the playoffs are on the horizon?

 

The things that you DON'T SEE could tip the season in our favor in the playoffs... one or two observations or teaching moments by Von could be the difference in winning it all.

So we’re paying Von $8 million this year to share his experience and knowledge? Not to mention his salary cap hit if he’s released. Von is not the difference in winning it all. Josh Allen is 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

The perception vs reality video tried really hard to show Von as a pass rush force. I am not sure I agree with some of the assessments. His run support has been there, but I still expect more from a HOF level player who was paid to close. 
 

Obv the injury is a major factor in this, so I don’t hold it against anyone but the fact of the matter is that I do not expect his snap share to significantly increase. Do you foresee him getting more than 40% of snaps in the post season? I do not. 
 

Groot Ed DQ Jones will all elevate their snaps, more like we’ve seen at times this year as well as in the playoffs last season. 

[sven233]

Von has been OK this year.  He's shown flashes of what he used to be while also showing his age and injury history at times.  Is he worth the money we're paying him right now?  No, obviously not. 

 

That said, this season, and every year that Allen is our QB, is about one thing......the Super Bowl.  If we are blessed enough to get there and have a chance to win it, if Von makes the play that wins us out first Super Bowl, he will have been worth every penny.  It could be 1 play......but if it's the biggest play in franchise history?  Yeah.....it will have been all worth it.

 

So, to me, Von's story isn't written here yet.  I'll get back to you when he leaves the team or retires.  Or.....I'll get back to you if we win the Super Bowl in February. 

[TFBillsfan]

I expected more than 9 tackles and 4 sacks on this season. Unfortunately I can’t recall the last time he’s made an impactful play.

 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

8 hours ago, Magox said:

For those that are implying that Von Miller has been playing at a “meh” level, you’re talking out your ass and have no idea what you are talking about.

 

He’s been excellent against the run and has been getting lots of pressures, considerably higher than your average DE.

 

I believe he’s going to ball out come the playoffs.

 

Thank you. I was surprised this was bumped.

 

Von may have been our most consistent DL (in a good way) over the last several games.

 

He was one of the few bright spots on D against the Rams.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 hours ago, stuvian said:

We have learned that absent a Bradley Chubb or Aaron Donald, Von Miller is just a guy 

Idk his first year here he was great then after the injury our pass rush imploded the rest of the season 

[QCity]

This thread is a great example of spiking the football too early. We didn't give him $100M to stuff the run, we paid him to get to the QB. We're approaching Christmas and he has 4 sacks.

 

No, the doubters have been 100% correct (the entire premise that they were wrong after 1 game was ludicrous to begin with).

 

He can still make a difference in the playoffs, and who knows maybe he will, but based on his performance this season that's wishful thinking.

[iccrewman112]

5 hours ago, Breakout Squad said:
 

The only contract worse than Von’s is Deshaun Watson. 

Kirk Cousins has entered the chat.

[Magox]

14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

25 min to show a handful of plays—a few of which actually show him getting swallowed up in a double team or getting on the pile. 
 

high impact players don’t require Zapruder film level analysis
 

 

 

I doubt they holding him back….

 

it wasn’t that long ago where many were parsing every play of teen sensation Tremaine Edmunds to convince everyone else how good he is (we just don’t know what we are looking at, etc). 

Yeah,

why consider zapruder film level analysis when we have WEO, famed message board warrior to tell us how it is.