newcam2012 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: IMO, and again I cant believe Im siding with the cops, I think those statements fall right in line with why they wanted him to keep his window down. It's not about his celebrity or embarassment, it was about their safety. He should have listened to a very simple request. Totally agreed that pretty much everything that happened after they pulled him out was over the line and cop needs to be punished/suspended/fired. But this all could have been avoided pretty easily with a better attitude from Hill, or simply not speeding through neighborhoods in the first place. There's plenty of blame to go around. However, law enforcement officers are always held to a higher standard. That's drilled into law enforcement officers brain from day one. They dropped the ball big time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 simply comply. do so, generally just ends up a quick stop and maybe a warning. being a famous nfl player and all outside the stadium near game time. don't comply, reap the repercussions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 1 hour ago, Steptide said: Regardless of whatever you think about this situation, this looks bad for the Dolphins imo This is really ridiculous and unnecessary. Hill had a giant GFY attitude toward the cop. Setting aside how anyone might feel about the cops actions/reactions, this statement from the team reiterates the GFY by painting Hill as some sort of victim of innocent victim who did nothing at all wrong. I have not seen any video with interactions between Campbell or Smith with police so will not comment on that but insinuating that if Hill wasn’t a football player the cop might have killed him? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Just now, 4merper4mer said: I have not seen any video with interactions between Campbell or Smith with police so will not comment on that but insinuating that if Hill wasn’t a football player the cop might have killed him? Really? I don't know which guy was Campbell and which guy was Smith, but one of the officers who was interacting with Campbell/Smith in front of Hill's vehicle was stepping on another officer's toes and 100% escalating the situation from what I saw. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 17 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: I got what you are saying. Police will almost always tell a ticketed motorist than can fight in in a court of law. That's their avenue to file their complaints. However, that's not completely realistic to many people. People will complain to police when they think they have been wronged. He k, they will complain for various reasons like being pissed off, displeasure for police, etc... Pick your reason. In my humble opinion, the best law enforcement officers are the ones who can communicate effectively, gets respect as well as gives respect, deescalates situations effectively, able to make sound judgements under duress, etc... Frankly, I didn't see much of this with regards to the Miami police officers. I disagree totally with the shame angle. Hill has no shame. He's a selfish dbag. So was he lying when he said he was embarrassed, and that’s why he rolled his window back up? Whether Hill actually feels shame or not, who knows. But for anyone violating laws and feels shame about it, good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 21 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: I got what you are saying. Police will almost always tell a ticketed motorist than can fight in in a court of law. That's their avenue to file their complaints. However, that's not completely realistic to many people. People will complain to police when they think they have been wronged. He k, they will complain for various reasons like being pissed off, displeasure for police, etc... Pick your reason. In my humble opinion, the best law enforcement officers are the ones who can communicate effectively, gets respect as well as gives respect, deescalates situations effectively, able to make sound judgements under duress, etc... Frankly, I didn't see much of this with regards to the Miami police officers. I disagree totally with the shame angle. Hill has no shame. He's a selfish dbag. Nobody is arguing with you that police aren’t perfect. I’d be shocked if they were. Nobody is arguing that they shouldn’t de-escalate. They should. But…if they don’t….thats all that more reason/occasion for YOU to read the room and comply. Again, the same is true in almost every social situation in life. And when you learn that early on, you’ll be much the better for it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 13 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: simply comply. do so, generally just ends up a quick stop and maybe a warning. being a famous nfl player and all outside the stadium near game time. don't comply, reap the repercussions. He complied with what he was legally obligated to do. He pulled over, gave license and registration. From what I've read, he didn't have to keep his window down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 (edited) 8 minutes ago, klos63 said: He complied with what he was legally obligated to do. He pulled over, gave license and registration. From what I've read, he didn't have to keep his window down. When you're told to step out of the car you are required to do so. Edited September 10 by Bangarang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 47 minutes ago, chongli said: I agree that legally, they dont have to de-escalate, but that is what they are trained to, and expected to, do. Hill put his window up since he was embarrassed, and as a celebrity, didn't want people taking pictures of him. If this was Green Bag or Philly, the police would have given him an escort once they recognized his status as a player. I’m not sure why people buy this idea that he rolled up the window to hide his identity. It seems pretty clear to me that’s it’s an FU to the cops. 9 minutes ago, Simon said: I don't know which guy was Campbell and which guy was Smith, but one of the officers who was interacting with Campbell/Smith in front of Hill's vehicle was stepping on another officer's toes and 100% escalating the situation from what I saw. I saw video of Campbell. He’s the one who left his car in the middle of the lane and then approached the cops. It cuts off shortly after the initial cop starts demanding his license. Maybe you saw more, I don’t know. I have no issue with what I saw there. -Large man abandons car and approaches the scene. -They order him back to the car and then demand identification. Like I said, I have no issue there. He left his car in the middle of the road and approached a scene. He’s very lucky he didn’t wind up in cuffs too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 6 minutes ago, klos63 said: He complied with what he was legally obligated to do. He pulled over, gave license and registration. From what I've read, he didn't have to keep his window down. And that’s why we’re playing them at night! It’s too darn hot to keep your windows down. 😉 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Feels like Hill getting pulled out and detained was probably appropriate based on how he acted like a dumbass. But the officers should have been more professional and not been so excessive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 nothing new here. Tyreek, or Reek as the dumb ass fans called him in the vid, is a proven dumb ass and this kind of drama follows him like a sunrise to sunset. Can't fix it and he is destined for an Antoin Brown type retirement life. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 1 hour ago, chongli said: Hill does not have to deescalate. That is the officers' job. They failed. Absolutely, unequivocally, 100% wrong. The police officer is not responsible for your actions. Hill had it entirely in his control to make this traffic stop go smoothly. There is not a doubt in my mind that it would have if he didn't act the way he did. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 If Hill broke laws, put cops in danger, needed to be cuffed..., why did they let him go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2Coleman Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 5 hours ago, HardyBoy said: you might be right on the window tint and safety, but there is no law that says you need to treat anyone with “respect” Then don’t expect it in return. Entitled behavior from a a POS. Just now, klos63 said: If Hill broke laws, put cops in danger, needed to be cuffed..., why did they let him go? Because that’s how police work is done, you subdue the threat till it can be sorted out. You don’t put yourself in danger especially for people who don’t show you respect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 8 minutes ago, Allen2Coleman said: Then don’t expect it in return. Entitled behavior from a a POS. Because that’s how police work is done, you subdue the threat till it can be sorted out. You don’t put yourself in danger especially for people who don’t show you respect. The threat of disrespect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: This is really ridiculous and unnecessary. Hill had a giant GFY attitude toward the cop. Setting aside how anyone might feel about the cops actions/reactions, this statement from the team reiterates the GFY by painting Hill as some sort of victim of innocent victim who did nothing at all wrong. I have not seen any video with interactions between Campbell or Smith with police so will not comment on that but insinuating that if Hill wasn’t a football player the cop might have killed him? Really? No consequences for this POS human being. That’s why he’s still in the NFL to begin with. Now the team acts like he did nothing wrong. ***** pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 (edited) I caution anyone propping hill up as some sort of civil rights victim. He’s not a victim nor has he ever been. He is the epitome of privilege. he wants special treatment. Edited September 10 by Shortchaz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2Coleman Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: The threat of disrespect? Spend a week as a Miami police officer, then come back and comment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: The threat of disrespect? I mean, Hill does have a long history of violence and complete lack of impulse control. Maybe it didnt matter much in this case since none of the officers were women so there wasnt anyone he normally prefers to brutalize. But he was immediately aggressive and uncooperative, so who knows what comes next. It would have been very easy for Hill to make it clear he wasnt a threat of anything. But he chose violence. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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