No coach has ever made their first superbowl after being with a team for 7+ years

[GASabresIUFan]

Did you know that a coach with McD to start his last name has never won a Super Bowl?

Edited September 8 by GASabresIUFan

[90sBills]

53 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

You should be immediately banned for making crap up.

 

This is completely false and easily proven with 30 seconds of research.

 

Let’s start with John Madden and the Raiders.  1st Superbowl 1976 - his 8th season with Oakland.  Do you know him - got an entire video game franchise named after him.

 

How about Bill Cower?  Started in 1992 in Pittsburgh - won his first Super Bowl in 2005 - so 13 years in Pittsburgh before his first Super Bowl.  That message must have been super stale.

 

Then you have a coach like Tom Landry that won his first Super Bowl and first championship in year 12.  Not all of them were SB years, but he never won a NFL championship before the merger either.

 

So that is 3 guys that break the thread.  Then there are all of the coaches mentioned that coached for way more than 7 years on multiple teams before finding the magic to win one.

 

Is it common - No, but it has happened multiple times already in the history of the NFL.

 

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Yeah the op’s stat was incorrect. What is correct, however, is no coach/qb combo has ever won a Super Bowl after being together for 5+ years if they haven’t already won one together. 

[Matt_In_NH]

We know

[MJS]

Most coaches don't win superbowls, because it is extremely difficult to do. So, there is a whole slew of stats around coaches not winning superbowls. None of them say much else besides the fact that superbowls are extremely hard to win.

 

Only 35 coaches have won a superbowl. Of those, only 14 have won more than one. We are talking about a rare thing. It puts the greatness of dynasties like the Patriots into perspective. What they did was so improbable, it is nearly statistically impossible. And yet, we are in the midst of another dynasty with the Chiefs.

[Chaos]

3 minutes ago, MJS said:

Only 35 coaches have won a superbowl.

It is rare. The original poster is pointing out that all 35 did it within 7 years of head coaching the team they won with. Winning a Super Bowl after that time frame would not only be rare, it would be unique. 

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

It is rare. The original poster is pointing out that all 35 did it within 7 years of head coaching the team they won with. Winning a Super Bowl after that time frame would not only be rare, it would be unique. 

Well, another poster showed that to be false.

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, 90sBills said:

Yeah the op’s stat was incorrect. What is correct, however, is no coach/qb combo has ever won a Super Bowl after being together for 5+ years if they haven’t already won one together. 

So if it’s never happened before then… someone help me out here.

 

[Chaos]

5 minutes ago, MJS said:

Well, another poster showed that to be false.

its a different than what the first poster claimed, but Cowher did make the super bowl in his fourth season.  And Landry really doesn't count, if you count only Super Bowl seasons.  Madden is the outlier on making a Super Bowl that far into his tenure.

[uticaclub]

I thought it was no coach/QB combo have it after 5 

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, Chaos said:

its a different than what the first poster claimed, but Cowher did make the super bowl in his fourth season.  And Landry really doesn't count, if you count only Super Bowl seasons.  Madden is the outlier on making a Super Bowl that far into his tenure.

When we are dealing with such small sample sizes (only 35 super bowl winning coaches), nothing is really an outlier.

[Low Positive]

5 minutes ago, Chaos said:

its a different than what the first poster claimed, but Cowher did make the super bowl in his fourth season.  And Landry really doesn't count, if you count only Super Bowl seasons.  Madden is the outlier on making a Super Bowl that far into his tenure.

The OP didn't say "make," he said "win."

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

The OP didn't say "make," he said "win."

Hence "its a different than what the first poster claimed,"

[boyst]

6 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

I thought it was no coach/QB combo have it after 5 

This is also true.

 

There is another category we are in I forgot. Something to do with the number of offensive coordinators with one QB. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, julian said:

lol, this is a stat McDermott haters love. I’d love to see a new HC but I’m not using this in any future argument in favour of replacing g him.

 

The Bills have the 2nd best record in the NFL over the past 5 years.  Statistically it's much easier to get worse than better with a new coach as there's much less room for improvement.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

2 hours ago, boater said:

McDermott haters.... in their vivid imaginations, there is a more qualified sure-fire coach out there just waiting for a job. Waiting for the Bills job to be more specific. This unicorn coach hasn't been hired by the other 31 teams because they don't see the diamond in the rough.

 

All of the following coaches were once thought to be this magical unicorn: G Williams, M Mularkey, D Jauron, P Fewell, C Gailey, D Marrone, R Ryan. Heh... why not roll the dice again?

The OP is wrong but you’re too risk-averse.
 

Plenty of good coaches have been hired since 13 seconds. Including Doug Peterson who was my answer to your gotcha question back then and out coached McDermott last season. 

[julian]

15 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

The Bills have the 2nd best record in the NFL over the past 5 years.  Statistically it's much easier to get worse than better with a new coach as there's much less room for improvement.

Nobody wants to replace McDermott because of his regular season win/loss record

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

What makes us think McDermott will be the first coach to ever break this trend ? Players get tired of the same message year in and year out if it's not producing championships.

 

This thread may interest you: https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/248039-how-long-does-it-take-an-nfl-head-coach-to-reach-his-1st-super-bowl/

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 minutes ago, julian said:

Nobody wants to replace McDermott because of his regular season win/loss record

 

True, but it's not that likely that a coach with a worse regular season record is going to be great in the playoffs either or might not even make the playoffs.

[julian]

6 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

True, but it's not that likely that a coach with a worse regular season record is going to be great in the playoffs either or might not even make the playoffs.

That’s correct, but at some point you roll the dice instead of continuing to bang your head on the same door until one day your 1st ballot HOF QB retires or walks out the door.

 

 Fear of the unknown can’t hold you back from making a change, all that being said I’m pulling for McDermott and hope he gets it done.

[Dr.Sack]

No kicker has ever missed 30% of his FGs in the playoffs and won a Super Bowl.