That's No Moon Posted October 28 Posted October 28 1 hour ago, YattaOkasan said: Is this how the Pats felt all those years. These teams have mortgaged their futures for this year and it all fell apart before November. Crazy. I wouldn't mind having a New Englandesque regular season where they aren't really their best and ppl question if they are done but win the division basically by default then roll through the playoffs like a freaking juggernaut Quote
SoTier Posted October 28 Posted October 28 3 hours ago, FireChans said: Rodgers really ruined his own legacy. He was a top 3 QB for nearly 15 years and only won a single Super Bowl. All QBs have different situations, but this isn’t a “Mahomes is in Josh’s way” or “Brady is in Peyton’s way.” The story of Rodgers is going to be “all time great player, but his personality and leadership held him back.” Even Brady, a notorious psycho, has former teammates who gush about him. Nobody has former teammates who routinely trash him or just have nothing good to say like Rodgers. He has gotten only worse since being empowered, first by Green Bay and now by the Jets. The Packers saying enough is enough and taking Jordan Love was an all-time move. Love may not ever be elite, but that team had to cut out Rodgers to move forward. Absolutely spot on. 2 hours ago, Gregg said: I am surprised they haven't cut Greg Zuerlein yet. He has been awful this season. I think he knows where Woody Johnson has buried his skeletons. 2 hours ago, Dan Darragh said: and they lost to the freaking PATRIOTS ... led by backup QB Jacoby Brissette! Quote
Heels20X6 Posted October 28 Posted October 28 6 hours ago, JerseyBills said: The Legend! Or Sammy Darnold lmao. Reminds me of drought era Bills but at least we were still alive in October All we need is for Zach Wilson to have a career resurgence this season and Jets fans will be ready to jump off a ledge. 1 1 Quote
Mat68 Posted October 28 Posted October 28 They are a sub 500 team who used tooth picks and duct tape to fix their foundation issues. Defense is 15% worst than last season. The offense is 15% better. Overall, similar team. 1 Quote
TheFunPolice Posted October 28 Posted October 28 (edited) Rodgers was never great in the playoffs but made it through once. Given all the accolades you'd think he would have at least made 2 SB. Favre did. Remember, Peyton "can't win in the playoffs" Manning led 2 different teams to 2 Super Bowls each, going 1-1 with each team and beating Brady's NE teams almost every time to get there. Edited October 28 by TheFunPolice Quote
BigAl2526 Posted October 28 Posted October 28 (edited) 11 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said: Where is ol' Jimmy? Come on garlic breath - show yourself! He's afraid of gagging on crow. Come on Jimmy, it probably tastes like chicken. Edited October 28 by BigAl2526 Quote
BMWR100RT Posted October 28 Posted October 28 (edited) 5 hours ago, JP51 said: I get it, but I dont feel at all bad for them... almost like i dont expect anyone to feel bad for us Sabre fans... you gotta do it right from the top down... Woody and Terry in their respective situations have demonstrated abject ineptitude at every turn... play stupid games win stupid prizes.... and then proceeded to learn absolutely nothing from their mistakes... the concept of taking a declining 40yr old QB, paying him a bleep ton of money and them making him the defacto GM and coach was absolutely insane... only to be out done maybe by Clevelands trade for Watson and every decision that Terry Pegula has ever made regarding the Sabres.... the Sad thing for the Jets is that they have literally set themselves back a minimum of 3 years and that is if they hit on their QB this year in the draft. All the vets that Rodgers brought are aging, key pieces of the defense are going to get older... CJ Mosely is injured all the time... Williams is gonna wanna get paid, Breece Hall is not going to be as effective et al.... The worst thing to happen to them would probably win a few more games go like 8-9 or 7-10 and knock themselves out of a top QB pick. I feel a bit bad for some fans, but many Jets fans and media members have a superiority complex that is completely unearned and obnoxious. It was glorious watching them implode yesterday. Edited October 28 by BMWR100RT 2 Quote
Mikie2times Posted October 28 Posted October 28 5 hours ago, dave mcbride said: The thing about Rodgers right now is that he is walking proof that if you can't scramble now, you can't succeed in the NFL. He's never a threat to run it or sneak it, and that really puts a lid on an offense. And honestly, he's still one of the two-three best throwers in the game. His arm remains amazing. But if you can't move, you can't succeed in today's NFL. He's basically a Drew Bledsoe who gets rid of it more quickly. Cousins, Stafford, Goff are all Rogers like with scramble ability. Now what you really cant do is focus all your efforts on WR's and neglect OL. Which is what they did. Mind you Zack Wilson was mobile. So I'm not sure they got a taste of how bad that offensive line really was. 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 28 Posted October 28 3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Cousins, Stafford, Goff are all Rogers like with scramble ability. Now what you really cant do is focus all your efforts on WR's and neglect OL. Which is what they did. Mind you Zack Wilson was mobile. So I'm not sure they got a taste of how bad that offensive line really was. Stafford's line is worse! Fair Cousins and Goff are playing behind two of the better Olines. Quote
FireChans Posted October 28 Posted October 28 31 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: Cousins, Stafford, Goff are all Rogers like with scramble ability. Now what you really cant do is focus all your efforts on WR's and neglect OL. Which is what they did. Mind you Zack Wilson was mobile. So I'm not sure they got a taste of how bad that offensive line really was. The OL in LA is even worse and Stafford hasn’t looked nearly as washed as Rodgers. He was drafted 20 years ago. He’s cooked. If the Jets built an elite OL, could they win a few more games? Probably. Would they have been contenders? No. 2 Quote
Mikie2times Posted October 28 Posted October 28 18 minutes ago, FireChans said: The OL in LA is even worse and Stafford hasn’t looked nearly as washed as Rodgers. He was drafted 20 years ago. He’s cooked. If the Jets built an elite OL, could they win a few more games? Probably. Would they have been contenders? No. what's your point? Quote
FireChans Posted October 28 Posted October 28 6 minutes ago, Mikie2times said: what's your point? That Rodgers is currently washed. And Stafford isn’t. Which is why Stafford as a less than mobile QB and a crappy OL can still be effective and Rodgers can’t. Quote
Mikie2times Posted October 28 Posted October 28 14 minutes ago, FireChans said: That Rodgers is currently washed. And Stafford isn’t. Which is why Stafford as a less than mobile QB and a crappy OL can still be effective and Rodgers can’t. Fair enough, it just seemed like that was sort of an independent thought vs a response to what I said. Somebody else said the NFL can't have immobile QB's anymore to which I responded that it still could. What is causing Rogers issue is much likely bigger than just bad offensive line play. I'm sure the physical decline is playing a fairly large role. Quote
NewEra Posted October 28 Posted October 28 8 hours ago, HappyDays said: Good reminder that coaching is almost as important as talent in the NFL. And the Jets now have the WORST coaching staff in the league. That's why I didn't understand Bills fans that were still worried about them even after Saleh was fired... Saleh was pretty clearly not a great coach, but he brought an energy to the team and his side of the ball was playing at an elite level for most of his tenure. Now they've handed the reins to Jeff Ulbrich, a guy that no one had ever heard of before his sudden ascension. Is anyone surprised they have become a terrible defense? Yes, terrible - you give up 37 to the Steelers and 25 to the Pats, you are a terrible defense. Meanwhile on offense they have Todd Downing and Nate Hackett running the show... Like I said, the WORST coaching staff in the league. Most likely has to do with watching Josh play vs the jets week 1 last year. While also watching Zach Wilson convert huge 3rd downs against us. I don’t think there is anyone who thought AR would be less successful than Wilson if healthy. Most people also assumed Reddick would be playing. I still thought we were the better team, but the Jets being THIS bad, worse than last season, is unexpected imo. Quote
HappyDays Posted October 28 Posted October 28 23 minutes ago, NewEra said: Most likely has to do with watching Josh play vs the jets week 1 last year. While also watching Zach Wilson convert huge 3rd downs against us. I don’t think there is anyone who thought AR would be less successful than Wilson if healthy. Most people also assumed Reddick would be playing. I still thought we were the better team, but the Jets being THIS bad, worse than last season, is unexpected imo. I understood the concerns before the season. I mean people that were still worried even after Saleh was fired. That was an awful move that was certain to blow up spectacularly in their faces. Following it up with a trade for another one of Aaron Rodgers' buddies was the cherry on top. Championship teams are built through long term culture and system building, not week-to-week reactionary BS. 2 1 Quote
GunnerBill Posted October 28 Posted October 28 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I understood the concerns before the season. I mean people that were still worried even after Saleh was fired. That was an awful move that was certain to blow up spectacularly in their faces. Following it up with a trade for another one of Aaron Rodgers' buddies was the cherry on top. Championship teams are built through long term culture and system building, not week-to-week reactionary BS. Yea I thought they could be a threat before the season. To be honest I was out by the Denver game a week before Saleh was fired. Rodgers can still turn it on in patches but he doesn't have the heart or the leadership to be an elite QB anymore. His leadership flaw mattered less when his talent was all worldly. It ain't anymore. 1 1 Quote
JohnBonhamRocks Posted October 28 Posted October 28 From Dan Orlovsky: Scored 20+ points Didn’t turn it over Allowed fewer than 250 yards In NFL history, teams are 750-1 (including playoffs) when generating that box score. The only loss is the Jets yesterday. 2 Quote
Saxum Posted October 28 Posted October 28 7 hours ago, Gregg said: I am surprised they haven't cut Greg Zuerlein yet. He has been awful this season. They have been listening to Bills fans too much and think Bills will sign him to replace Bass. Quote
Saxum Posted October 28 Posted October 28 7 hours ago, Dan Darragh said: and they lost to the freaking PATRIOTS They did it right. They are trying to tank to draft a new QB to ruin. Quote
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