Jets gotta problem

[SoTier]

9 hours ago, bills6969 said:

Watching the ineptness of front offices such as the Jets, Browns, Carolina etc, just all the more makes me appreciate ours.

 

It's a reminder that fans should be careful about what they wish for because they might get it.   The Pegulas hit the jackpot when they hired Beane who had never been a GM before.  They might not be so lucky next time, particularly if they were to "clean house" in the front office (and likely coaching staff) by firing Beane.

 

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Can we now conclusively say that the problem the Jets have is Aaron Rodgers?

 

I disagree.  The problem with the Jests is owner Woody Johnson.  For most of his quarter century of ownership of the Jests, the team has sucked.   In the early 2000s, the Jests had some decent teams with talent left from the previous regime (Bill Parcells).  They also had a couple of good seasons under Rex Ryan, but they've had only 1 winning season in the last 13 years.   The last even moderately successful QB the Jests drafted and developed was Chad Pennington whom they kicked to the curb for Brett Favre in 2007 -- and like Geno and Darnold, went on to play pretty well for the Dolphins for a couple of years.  Johnson's GMs (Bradway, Tannenbaum, Idzik, Maccagnan, and Douglas) have spent a fortune of draft capital on QBs with very little success ... at least for the Jests.  

 

Hopefully, Johnson never sells the team ... and lives a few more decades. 

[That's No Moon]

38 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

He was a huge problem. He didn’t build any sort of culture in 3 years and it shows. That team is far too talented to be this bad 

I disagree. That team could have fallen apart last year and didn't. This year the major difference is you have Rodgers in the room all the time running the show and you have the owner obviously meddling as well.

 

They HAD a culture building and they decided to go with Rodgers and wrecked it. Kind of like how the Browns had something going and then flushed it by bringing in Watson.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

It's a reminder that fans should be careful about what they wish for because they might get it.   The Pegulas hit the jackpot when they hired Beane who had never been a GM before.  They might not be so lucky next time, particularly if they were to "clean house" in the front office (and likely coaching staff) by firing Beane.

 

 

I disagree.  The problem with the Jests is owner Woody Johnson.  For most of his quarter century of ownership of the Jests, the team has sucked.   In the early 2000s, the Jests had some decent teams with talent left from the previous regime (Bill Parcells).  They also had a couple of good seasons under Rex Ryan, but they've had only 1 winning season in the last 13 years.   The last even moderately successful QB the Jests drafted and developed was Chad Pennington whom they kicked to the curb for Brett Favre in 2007 -- and like Geno and Darnold, went on to play pretty well for the Dolphins for a couple of years.  Johnson's GMs (Bradway, Tannenbaum, Idzik, Maccagnan, and Douglas) have spent a fortune of draft capital on QBs with very little success ... at least for the Jests.  

 

Hopefully, Johnson never sells the team ... and lives a few more decades. 

 

It is Woody Johnson that allowed Rodgers to have this much control yes.  But at the same time, Rodgers put this team together on how he wants it. 

 

[HappyDays]

Good reminder that coaching is almost as important as talent in the NFL. And the Jets now have the WORST coaching staff in the league. That's why I didn't understand Bills fans that were still worried about them even after Saleh was fired... Saleh was pretty clearly not a great coach, but he brought an energy to the team and his side of the ball was playing at an elite level for most of his tenure. Now they've handed the reins to Jeff Ulbrich, a guy that no one had ever heard of before his sudden ascension. Is anyone surprised they have become a terrible defense? Yes, terrible - you give up 37 to the Steelers and 25 to the Pats, you are a terrible defense. Meanwhile on offense they have Todd Downing and Nate Hackett running the show... Like I said, the WORST coaching staff in the league.

 

[JerseyBills]

57 minutes ago, muppy said:

taunting in someones face or just in general being an **** is a bad look IMO it's not classy and reflects more back on YOU than the person you re trying to snark.

 

But in a Bills chatroom on the internet? Here of course I'm here to dance on their graves and talk heap big smack if I feel like it

 

The scoreboard doesn't lie THEY SUCK and I'm dancing on their graves. Absofreakinglutely. 

 

OH  lest I forget to mention seeing the pats in squalor LOVE THAT TOO

 

lol VICTORY Monday at TBD. 

 

I agree but I was a teen and in my 20s for the drought years and the **** talk all summer was crazy - The division is ours, you guys are rebuilding g, we're superior etc etc. 

So I had to throw some jabs back at these guys but ya, it's at the point where I don't even feel comfortable trolling/talking smack

[No_Matter_What]

I am at the point when I feel genuinly sorry for them. 

 

13 years without PO, good promising young team with some blue chip players, you get HOF QB and then end up being 2-6 in his second season? That is nothing short of brutal.

[That's No Moon]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Good reminder that coaching is almost as important as talent in the NFL. And the Jets now have the WORST coaching staff in the league. That's why I didn't understand Bills fans that were still worried about them even after Saleh was fired... Saleh was pretty clearly not a great coach, but he brought an energy to the team and his side of the ball was playing at an elite level for most of his tenure. Now they've handed the reins to Jeff Ulbrich, a guy that no one had ever heard of before his sudden ascension. Is anyone surprised they have become a terrible defense? Yes, terrible - you give up 37 to the Steelers and 25 to the Pats, you are a terrible defense. Meanwhile on offense they have Todd Downing and Nate Hackett running the show... Like I said, the WORST coaching staff in the league.

 

They also recently hired an assistant coach away from one of our local high school programs. Maybe he's a great coach. Up and coming mind sort of thing. But hiring an ASSISTANT high school football coach in October is a weird look for an NFL team.

[Beck Water]

9 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

I am at the point when I feel genuinly sorry for them. 

 

Eeeewwwwww!  What's wrong with you?

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Can we now conclusively say that the problem the Jets have is Aaron Rodgers?

 

Well, no.  The Jets problems start at the top, IMHO.

 

But I find it deliciously ironic that two teams QB'd by jettisoned Jets (Minnesota and Seattle) have more than twice the wins that the Jets have managed.

 

And make no mistake, the Jets D has the players to be legit.

[SoTier]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It is Woody Johnson that allowed Rodgers to have this much control yes.  But at the same time, Rodgers put this team together on how he wants it. 

 

 

Would any reasonable owner, including Jerry Jones, undermine his GM and HC by giving a player control of personnel?   Giving your great QB input on personnel is one thing, but the situation in NY is unprecedented. 

[May Day 10]

19 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

It's a reminder that fans should be careful about what they wish for because they might get it.   The Pegulas hit the jackpot when they hired Beane who had never been a GM before.  They might not be so lucky next time, particularly if they were to "clean house" in the front office (and likely coaching staff) by firing Beane.

 

 

I disagree.  The problem with the Jests is owner Woody Johnson.  For most of his quarter century of ownership of the Jests, the team has sucked.   In the early 2000s, the Jests had some decent teams with talent left from the previous regime (Bill Parcells).  They also had a couple of good seasons under Rex Ryan, but they've had only 1 winning season in the last 13 years.   The last even moderately successful QB the Jests drafted and developed was Chad Pennington whom they kicked to the curb for Brett Favre in 2007 -- and like Geno and Darnold, went on to play pretty well for the Dolphins for a couple of years.  Johnson's GMs (Bradway, Tannenbaum, Idzik, Maccagnan, and Douglas) have spent a fortune of draft capital on QBs with very little success ... at least for the Jests.  

 

Hopefully, Johnson never sells the team ... and lives a few more decades. 

 

I think you are both right.  Rodgers is a huge problem, but ultimately, it was Woody Johnson who demanded the shiny toys and capitulated this whole organization to this mega-brain QB.   The Salah firing was also a bad move IMO as their defense seems to have taken a few steps back since then (and from what I have observed, he seems to be a popular players' coach there and they generally battled for him)

 

A prudent team would have seen they had a scrappy team with high-end young players and been able to go out and get someone like Baker Mayfield, Cousins, Carr, etc and they would be much better for it.  They have basically ruined the opportunity window for their young players, and some are regressing.

 

Gifting so much clout and cap to Rodgers was such a mistake.  I think it is going to get ugly there (if it isnt already) between players.  Rodgers took and took, skipped mini camp, talks a big game, makes excuse after excuse, throws teammates under the bus, and has run out of runway.  

Edited Monday at 02:16 PM by May Day 10

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

 

Would any reasonable owner, including Jerry Jones, undermine his GM and HC by giving a player control of personnel?   Giving your great QB input on personnel is one thing, but the situation in NY is unprecedented. 

 

Good point.  

[papazoid]

Aaron Rodgers Walked Off Field While Jets Lined Up For One More Play as Time Expired

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/aaron-rodgers-walked-off-field-while-jets-lined-up-for-one-more-play-as-time-expired

[TBBills Fan]

19 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

I am at the point when I feel genuinly sorry for them. 

 

13 years without PO, good promising young team with some blue chip players, you get HOF QB and then end up being 2-6 in his second season? That is nothing short of brutal.

Rodgers looks done.  

[dorquemada]

25 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

I am at the point when I feel genuinly sorry for them. 

 

13 years without PO, good promising young team with some blue chip players, you get HOF QB and then end up being 2-6 in his second season? That is nothing short of brutal.

 

I have several inlaws and at least a dozen coworkers who are dyed in the wool Jets fans.  Not even smack talkers, just regular people who want to cheer for a NFL team.  It's gotten grim.

[YoloinOhio]

They are talking on Wfan about hiring Rex Ryan midseason

 

im dead 😂🤣😂🤣

[All_Pro_Bills]

19 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

I think you are both right.  Rodgers is a huge problem, but ultimately, it was Woody Johnson who demanded the shiny toys and capitulated this whole organization to this mega-brain QB.   The Salah firing was also a bad move IMO as their defense seems to have taken a few steps back since then (and from what I have observed, he seems to be a popular players' coach there and they generally battled for him)

 

A prudent team would have seen they had a scrappy team with high-end young players and been able to go out and get someone like Baker Mayfield, Cousins, Carr, etc and they would be much better for it.  They have basically ruined the opportunity window for their young players, and some are regressing.

 

 

Rodgers is a problem but maybe just symptomatic of a team that has failed to find a franchise QB. Rodgers is headed for the HOF for his work with the Packers but unfortunately for the Jets, he's no leader and his performance shows he's not the answer under center. And yes, ownership is ultimately to blame. In this case giving some hired gun QB too much say on how things operate. Its got the head coach fired, installed a terrible interim group of coaches to new duties, and the Adams trade may prove to be a bust too.

 

 

Edited Monday at 02:34 PM by All_Pro_Bills

[GunnerBill]

37 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

It's a reminder that fans should be careful about what they wish for because they might get it.   The Pegulas hit the jackpot when they hired Beane who had never been a GM before.  They might not be so lucky next time, particularly if they were to "clean house" in the front office (and likely coaching staff) by firing Beane.

 

 

I disagree.  The problem with the Jests is owner Woody Johnson.  For most of his quarter century of ownership of the Jests, the team has sucked.   In the early 2000s, the Jests had some decent teams with talent left from the previous regime (Bill Parcells).  They also had a couple of good seasons under Rex Ryan, but they've had only 1 winning season in the last 13 years.   The last even moderately successful QB the Jests drafted and developed was Chad Pennington whom they kicked to the curb for Brett Favre in 2007 -- and like Geno and Darnold, went on to play pretty well for the Dolphins for a couple of years.  Johnson's GMs (Bradway, Tannenbaum, Idzik, Maccagnan, and Douglas) have spent a fortune of draft capital on QBs with very little success ... at least for the Jests.  

 

Hopefully, Johnson never sells the team ... and lives a few more decades. 

 

The problem with the organisation is definitely Johnson. But Rodgers has detroyed this iteration of the team. It was a young energetic, excited and motivated group when he got there. And he has sapped that from them. He is a horrible leader.

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

They are talking on Wfan about hiring Rex Ryan midseason

 

im dead 😂🤣😂🤣

 

Rex will get an interview for that job after the year. I am convinced.

[djp14150]

question…if a team does…
 

score 20+ points

have no turnovers

hold opponents to 250 yds or less

 

What  do you think the record is?

 

850-2 

 

the “1” is the Jets yesterday

[Process]

Fired their HC and traded for Adams and three games later are basically eliminated from playoff contention with half the season still to go LOL

 

I though the Jets could push us for the division because of how easy their schedule is. I was wrong. 

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The problem with the organisation is definitely Johnson. But Rodgers has detroyed this iteration of the team. It was a young energetic, excited and motivated group when he got there. And he has sapped that from them. He is a horrible leader.

 

Rex will get an interview for that job after the year. I am convinced.

Rodgers really ruined his own legacy. 
 

He was a top 3 QB for nearly 15 years and only won a single Super Bowl. 
 

All QBs have different situations, but this isn’t a “Mahomes is in Josh’s way” or “Brady is in Peyton’s way.”

 

The story of Rodgers is going to be “all time great player, but his personality and leadership held him back.” 
 

Even Brady, a notorious psycho, has former teammates who gush about him. Nobody has former teammates who routinely trash him or just have nothing good to say like Rodgers.

 

He has gotten only worse since being empowered, first by Green Bay and now by the Jets. The Packers saying enough is enough and taking Jordan Love was an all-time move. Love may not ever be elite, but that team had to cut out Rodgers to move forward.