HS team executes brilliant underhand thrown fake punt

[Big Turk]

How long before someone in the NFL adopts this play and runs it in a game? Absolutely brilliant...and would be very hard to stop if they didn't know it was coming...

 

Essentially the punter acts like he is punting, but instead underhand throws the ball down field in a high arc that actually looks like a punt.

 

His player then catches it like 30-40 yard down field for a first down.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/high-school-punter-really-threw-165610695.html

Edited September 4 by Big Turk

[pi2000]

 

2:50 mark

[TBBills Fan]

Love it. Better than direct snap to Hamlin

[Process]

Very cool. But if ready for it, it should be easy to defend. Return team just needs to knock the ball down and they get the ball back at the line of scrimmage. 

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

Love it. Better than direct snap to Hamlin

I had successfully assigned that play to the memory hole. Thanks a lot!

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Process said:

Very cool. But if ready for it, it should be easy to defend. Return team just needs to knock the ball down and they get the ball back at the line of scrimmage. 

 

I was thinking that too.  

 

The special teams knew it was coming too.  There shouldn't have been that many players in the pile if they were "tricked".  They knew something was up and played back.  They just lost the jump ball.

[RoyBatty is alive]

5 minutes ago, Process said:

Very cool. But if ready for it, it should be easy to defend. Return team just needs to knock the ball down and they get the ball back at the line of scrimmage. 

Yes it is easy to defend IF you can see it or know it is coming.  I think  it would be very difficult to see especially if you are deep as a return man, both lines would be visual obstacles with as low as the underhand pass is.

[Buffalo716]

This would never work at the NFL level.. there are built-in man to man principles and punt plays

 

So the second that ball is snapped and an eligible receiver ran down the field he would have a man on him.. and as soon as the punter never punted it and just lofted it into the air 

 

The entire team and sidelines would be screaming fake and pass.. and there would be a guy on the eligible receiver to break it up 

 

This is a perfect high school trick play

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Yes it is easy to defend IF you can see it or know it is coming.  I think  it would be very difficult to see especially if you are deep as a return man, both lines would be visual obstacles with as low as the underhand pass is.

There are sidelines that can see it and scream pass.. the guys coming off the edge would clearly be able to see it in the NFL too

 

The entire punt return team would be alerted and I can't ever see a pop fly of an underhand toss being completed.. 

 

Punt return teams have built in man-to-man principles to stop fakes and any player from the punting team who looks like he's tracking a football to catch would also be suspicious... Gunners don't track a football to catch it unless it's a sky kick inside the 10 yard line

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

This would never work at the NFL level.. there are built-in man to man principles and punt plays

 

So the second that ball is snapped and an eligible receiver ran down the field he would have a man on him.. and as soon as the punter never punted it and just lofted it into the air 

 

The entire team and sidelines would be screaming fake and pass.. and there would be a guy on the eligible receiver to break it up 

 

This is a perfect high school trick play

There are sidelines that can see it and scream pass.. the guys coming off the edge would clearly be able to see it in the NFL too

 

The entire punt return team would be alerted and I can't ever see a pop fly of an underhand toss being completed.. 

 

Punt return teams have built in man-to-man principles to stop fakes and any player from the punting team who looks like he's tracking a football to catch would also be suspicious... Gunners don't track a football to catch it unless it's a sky kick inside the 10 yard line

 

 

relying on hearing vocals from the sidelines or even from the edge in an NFL stadium are fraught with danger imo.  High school, yes easy.  Pros or even major colleges think it would be difficult.

[TBBills Fan]

18 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

I had successfully assigned that play to the memory hole. Thanks a lot!

 

Anytime. I'm available every Wednesday 

[JESSEFEFFER]

Not likely an underhanded spiraling pass could look like an NFL punt.  I've seen many high school games and many punts in them that looked like that throw.

[Buffalo716]

43 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

relying on hearing vocals from the sidelines or even from the edge in an NFL stadium are fraught with danger imo.  High school, yes easy.  Pros or even major colleges think it would be difficult.

Is it hard to hear in certain situations? Big third Downs, yea communication is tougher 

 

It's not as hard to hear during a punt.. there is usually very little crowd noise compared to first second third down

 

Players can communicate on the field and coaches on the sideline can communicate with players easier.. a coach could be right next to the jammer at the LoS with a view of the punter and relay that to him while the edge man also sees it and calls out fake.. The edge man would get a good view

 

Also NFL jammers are taught to stick to their man.. and have cues to tell if it's a punt or fake ...

 

Like why isn't the Gunner making a beeline for the returner? Why is he 20 yards shorts and looking like a receiver ? 

 

Why doesn't it look like a normal punt off the foot of an NFL punter? You could probably confuse a high school punt for a wobbly underhand throw, you can't confuse an NFL punt with that... The height completely different

 

 

Edited September 4 by Buffalo716

[BarleyNY]

54 minutes ago, Process said:

Very cool. But if ready for it, it should be easy to defend. Return team just needs to knock the ball down and they get the ball back at the line of scrimmage. 

 

Better yet, call a FC and then do that. The returner doesn’t have to be correct on whether it was a punt or throw. If it was a kick you get the ball with a 15 yard penalty. If it was a pass then you get the ball at their LOS. 

[pennstate10]

A tiny bit off topic, but reminded me of this classic trick play. Oops

 

https://www.maxpreps.com/m/news/71wiObbAfUWlRbY7x7iNKQ/video-wrong-ball-trick-play-goes-wrong.htm

[Big Turk]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Is it hard to hear in certain situations? Big third Downs, yea communication is tougher 

 

It's not as hard to hear during a punt.. there is usually very little crowd noise compared to first second third down

 

Players can communicate on the field and coaches on the sideline can communicate with players easier.. a coach could be right next to the jammer at the LoS with a view of the punter and relay that to him while the edge man also sees it and calls out fake.. The edge man would get a good view

 

Also NFL jammers are taught to stick to their man.. and have cues to tell if it's a punt or fake ...

 

Like why isn't the Gunner making a beeline for the returner? Why is he 20 yards shorts and looking like a receiver ? 

 

Why doesn't it look like a normal punt off the foot of an NFL punter? You could probably confuse a high school punt for a wobbly underhand throw, you can't confuse an NFL punt with that... The height completely different

 

 

 

They all said options, wildcat, spread formations, etc wouldn't work in the NFL...until they actually started using them and they did work...and in large part have changed how the game is played.

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

They all said options, wildcat, spread formations, etc wouldn't work in the NFL...until they actually started using them and they did work...and in large part have changed how the game is played.

There's been spread type plays in the NFL for a long time 

 

What has changed is how many teams are using them consistently 

 

30 years ago only a couple teams were using spread concepts.. now every team does

 

That's why the majority of spread quarterbacks failed before this new modern era of football..  the majority could not play in a pro style offense where they had to make four five reads 

 

You can't put kyler Murray  in a under center offense and have him do seven step drops and read two wide receivers two tight ends and a running back... He needs defined spread reads to be successful 

 

College football has stopped putting out pro style pocket passers for the most part.. NFL teams had to adjust their offenses because they're not getting classic quarterbacks 

 

As for the wildcat that was a slightly new innovation, which was a fad... It had success for one season... And the next year the entire league caught up

Edited September 4 by Buffalo716

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

There's been spread type plays in the NFL for a long time 

 

What has changed is how many teams are using them consistently 

 

30 years ago only a couple teams were using spread concepts.. now every team does

 

That's why the majority of spread quarterbacks failed before this new modern era of football..  the majority could not play in a pro style offense where they had to make four five reads 

 

You can't put kyler Murray  in a under center offense and have him do seven step drops and read two wide receivers two tight ends and a running back... He needs defined spread reads to be successful 

 

College football has stopped putting out pro style pocket passers for the most part.. NFL teams had to adjust their offenses because they're not getting classic quarterbacks 

 

As for the wildcat that was a slightly new innovation, which was a fad... It had success for one season... And the next year the entire league caught up

 

But teams still use it from time to time and it is still effective when it's used.

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

But teams still use it from time to time and it is still effective when it's used.

Of course it can be effective.. it gives you an extra blocker...

 

The bills should put Reggie Gilliam in the wildcat on the goal line... Keep Josh Allen away from all those big bodies... Put in an extra offensive tackle 

 

And let the big boys go to work... That's where I see wildcats still having success in the short yardage

[Charles Romes]

They would outlaw this immediately just like they outlawed Kenny Pickett’s fake slide, though Allen got away with the fake slide in the playoffs.  

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Charles Romes said:

They would outlaw this immediately just like they outlawed Kenny Pickett’s fake slide, though Allen got away with the fake slide in the playoffs.  

Josh Allen did nothing comparable to a fake slide versus Pittsburgh ...

 

He literally never started to lower himself to the ground...  Josh Allen's been shimmying like that since he got to the bills and it's nothing like a fake slide.. it's more of a stuttered juke

Edited September 4 by Buffalo716