Diggs' Drama

[Dablitzkrieg]

 

Edited Tuesday at 04:07 PM by Dablitzkrieg

[BillsFan130]

3 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

 

Looks like he's changing his tune pretty hard as before the year he basically was implying that he was the key behind Josh's success, with that weird "you sure about that" tweet

[Captain Hindsight]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I pile on McDermott quite a bit for his in game decisions, but I will say that creating a culture in which guys just want to win and do what it takes is actually pretty amazing. The receiver room guys have stepped up when their number was called. 

 

Look at what happened in SF when Greenlaw came back and Campbell threw a fit. Milano came back and Williams got demoted and just kept on grinding. 

 

That's a testament to coach and the culture he created. Diggs was a culture killer. What you are seeing here, as many have said, is addition by subtraction. Credit goes to McDermott and Beane for making those moves, drafting and bringing in culture guys. We may be on the precipice of something special. 

It reminds me of NE. It can be cold sometimes, but ***** they always had guys that could make plays 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said:

It reminds me of NE. It can be cold sometimes, but ***** they always had guys that could make plays 

 

And won because of it.! That team was all about Brady, as we are all about Allen. 

[klos63]

4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I get what you're saying but I see it differently.  It's not real money but it's not semantics either.  By NFL accounting rules, it's just the same as if we wrote Diggs a check for $31 million.  

 

$70 million of Diggs' contract was guaranteed so I'm guessing some money did change hands when we traded Diggs though I don't know how much.  I assume Diggs got the remainder of that $70m.  

 

In any case, the bookkeepers allocated $31 million for Diggs this year which meant we had $31 million less for other players.  My point was, you don't take a dead cap hit like that unless you really want a player gone.  

I agree that you only take a hit like that when you want a player gone. 

No money changed hands during the trade.  Houston paid him his salary for the year. 

Also, Houston negotiated that the guarantees go away after this season,  so he won't get the $70 either.  He bet on himself and the knee injury screwed him.  

Gonna be tough to get a big contract again. 

 

 

[Blank Stare]

6 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Thanks Von, for that ringing endorsement of WNY. "It's Buffalo.  What else are you going to do?"

I cannot stand this comment about the area when it’s thrown around. And it’s not some inferiority complex thing either. I genuinely don’t get it. Seriously, what do all these other cities that these guys visit or live have that Buffalo doesn’t? I don’t live in the area anymore, but I visit at least once each year and there’s always plenty to do. Excellent eats and breweries. Not overly congested. Night time entertainment. Outdoor activities. Museums. Shopping. Etc.

 

Ok, so the taxes stink and winter weather can be tough occasionally - no palm trees as a certain cross town team GM would say - but so what? I’ve travelled and lived all over the country (including hot spots like Southern California and South Florida which always seem to be the envy of all these players) and Buffalo (and surrounding area) has everything you’d ever need and more. You’ve got to make the effort just like anywhere else you go to learn your surroundings. Maybe it’s the location of the stadium or where they live, but these guys just come off as a bunch of whiners when they make comments like this. Get out much?

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

 

Is it possible that there was blame to go around with Diggs, Josh, McDermott, and Brady?  I think it's easier just to shift all the blame to the guy who isn't here anymore.

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Is it possible that there was blame to go around with Diggs, Josh, McDermott, and Brady?  I think it's easier just to shift all the blame to the guy who isn't here anymore.

No

 

Diggs was top 5 in targets for three straight seasons before he decided to mope his way through 2023

 

He's a child

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Is it possible that there was blame to go around with Diggs, Josh, McDermott, and Brady?  I think it's easier just to shift all the blame to the guy who isn't here anymore.

Yes and no.

 

Is it possible that someone else was also at fault for the Diggs’ relationship breaking down?

 

Yes.

 

Is that an excuse to act like a baby and force your way off the team that gave you an extension that they didn’t have to do to keep you happy?

 

No.

 

I long opined that it may not “all” be Diggs. Maybe he had legitimate grievances with the OC, McD or Josh. Maybe he didn’t. But what he could have chose to do is put it behind him and come to work and give it his all. And he did not choose to do that. And that’s 100% on him.

[PromoTheRobot]

8 minutes ago, Blank Stare said:

I cannot stand this comment about the area when it’s thrown around. And it’s not some inferiority complex thing either. I genuinely don’t get it. Seriously, what do all these other cities that these guys visit or live have that Buffalo doesn’t? I don’t live in the area anymore, but I visit at least once each year and there’s always plenty to do. Excellent eats and breweries. Not overly congested. Night time entertainment. Outdoor activities. Museums. Shopping. Etc.

 

Ok, so the taxes stink and winter weather can be tough occasionally - no palm trees as a certain cross town team GM would say - but so what? I’ve travelled and lived all over the country (including hot spots like Southern California and South Florida which always seem to be the envy of all these players) and Buffalo (and surrounding area) has everything you’d ever need and more. You’ve got to make the effort just like anywhere else you go to learn your surroundings. Maybe it’s the location of the stadium or where they live, but these guys just come off as a bunch of whiners when they make comments like this. Get out much?

 

I don't know what Von likes to do and if it's missing from Buffalo. But I know a lot of players get scared of the weather and hole up in their apartments playing Xbox and never go anywhere. I'd love to get a list of things players want to do and try to match them with places that offer it. Buffalo usually has some of everything, just not as much as a big city.

[FireChans]

13 minutes ago, Blank Stare said:

I cannot stand this comment about the area when it’s thrown around. And it’s not some inferiority complex thing either. I genuinely don’t get it. Seriously, what do all these other cities that these guys visit or live have that Buffalo doesn’t? I don’t live in the area anymore, but I visit at least once each year and there’s always plenty to do. Excellent eats and breweries. Not overly congested. Night time entertainment. Outdoor activities. Museums. Shopping. Etc.

 

Ok, so the taxes stink and winter weather can be tough occasionally - no palm trees as a certain cross town team GM would say - but so what? I’ve travelled and lived all over the country (including hot spots like Southern California and South Florida which always seem to be the envy of all these players) and Buffalo (and surrounding area) has everything you’d ever need and more. You’ve got to make the effort just like anywhere else you go to learn your surroundings. Maybe it’s the location of the stadium or where they live, but these guys just come off as a bunch of whiners when they make comments like this. Get out much?

Haha what

 

Are folks really surprised that there’s way more for multimillionaire 20 and 30 year old men to do in LA or NYC or Miami than BUFFALO

[hondo in seattle]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I don't know what Von likes to do and if it's missing from Buffalo. But I know a lot of players get scared of the weather and hole up in their apartments playing Xbox and never go anywhere. I'd love to get a list of things players want to do and try to match them with places that offer it. Buffalo usually has some of everything, just not as much as a big city.

 

Everyone likes different things.

I grew up in the Buffalo suburbs and chose not to live there.  I'm currently in the San Francisco Bay Area.  I love the proximity of the ocean.  I go hiking in the mountains every week.  I enjoy the multicultural environment and especially the insane diversity & quality of the eating options.  

 

But Buffalo has its charms, too.  My wife from the tropics actually wants to retire there.  She loves Buffalo's four seasons, especially the snowy winters.  

[Blank Stare]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I don't know what Von likes to do and if it's missing from Buffalo. But I know a lot of players get scared of the weather and hole up in their apartments playing Xbox and never go anywhere. I'd love to get a list of things players want to do and try to match them with places that offer it. Buffalo usually has some of everything, just not as much as a big city.

Agreed. Being scared of the weather and not wanting to leave the apartment is incredibly boring, but saying “it’s Buffalo, what else is there do to?” is incredibly reductive. There’s plenty to do other than going to your teammates house for pizza and a movie. How would they know what there is to do if you don’t leave your apartment or OP? 
 

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Haha what

 

Are folks really surprised that there’s way more for multimillionaire 20 and 30 year old men to do in LA or NYC or Miami than BUFFALO

Come on man. Don’t be obtuse. There are no multimillionaires living in WNY? Plenty to do in the area for folks with and without money of any age group if you’re willing to leave the house. Few more nightclubs and less clothing on women in the locales you mention, but saying “what else is there to do?” across the entire city and surrounding areas is just lazy. 

[GaryPinC]

26 minutes ago, Blank Stare said:

Ok, so the taxes stink and winter weather can be tough occasionally - no palm trees as a certain cross town team GM would say - but so what? I’ve travelled and lived all over the country (including hot spots like Southern California and South Florida which always seem to be the envy of all these players) and Buffalo (and surrounding area) has everything you’d ever need and more. You’ve got to make the effort just like anywhere else you go to learn your surroundings. Maybe it’s the location of the stadium or where they live, but these guys just come off as a bunch of whiners when they make comments like this. Get out much?

I would guess this has a lot to do with it for 20 to 30 year old alpha male athletes.  Bigger cities are less effort because of more things going on in a more concentrated proximity.

[PromoTheRobot]

8 minutes ago, Blank Stare said:

Agreed. Being scared of the weather and not wanting to leave the apartment is incredibly boring, but saying “it’s Buffalo, what else is there do to?” is incredibly reductive. There’s plenty to do other than going to your teammates house for pizza and a movie. How would they know what there is to do if you don’t leave your apartment or OP? 
 

Come on man. Don’t be obtuse. There are no multimillionaires living in WNY? Plenty to do in the area for folks with and without money of any age group if you’re willing to leave the house. Few more nightclubs and less clothing on women in the locales you mention, but saying “what else is there to do?” across the entire city and surrounding areas is just lazy. 

 

People like Von are full time athletes. They don't have time to hang out and party a lot. So it's not like you have endless hours to fill. Learn a little about your town and make an effort to engage. Being locked in your apartment is not a better alternative. Ask a 20-something Bills staffer for ideas.

Edited Tuesday at 08:12 PM by PromoTheRobot

[Doc Brown]

22 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

No

 

Diggs was top 5 in targets for three straight seasons before he decided to mope his way through 2023

 

He's a child

I can see you're undecided.  LOL.  We do our best to read the tea leaves but only those in the building know what exactly took place.

[GoBills808]

Just now, Doc Brown said:

I can see you're undecided.  LOL.  We do our best to read the tea leaves but only those in the building know what exactly took place.

It's like a preponderance of evidence for me

 

Of course none of us know what happened but I see no reason to extend the benefit of doubt to the guy who did this exact same thing w his previous employer

 

I loved the way he played and disliked basically everything else about him. Pure unfiltered narcissism and pathological insincerity 

[GaryPinC]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

People like Von are full time athletes. They don't have time to hang out and party a lot. So it's not like you have endless hours to fill. Learn a little about your town and make an effort to engage. Being locked in your apartment is not a better alternative. Ask a 20-something Bills staffer for ideas.

I'm a small city/town kind of guy.  But I do enjoy the excitement of visiting a big city of being able to go for as long a walk as I choose and people watch, see unique shops and businesses and quickly lose yourself in that environment and maybe pick something to do in it spur of the moment.   That just doesn't really happen in Buffalo and I've heard more than one player over the years mention trips to Toronto are where it's at. 

I mean, come on.  20-30 something guys.  Most won't want to look up a museum or tour the architectural wonders of Buffalo.  And wandering into a watering hole is cool on occasion but not on the same par as getting out in a big city. 

[PromoTheRobot]

4 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

I'm a small city/town kind of guy.  But I do enjoy the excitement of visiting a big city of being able to go for as long a walk as I choose and people watch, see unique shops and businesses and quickly lose yourself in that environment and maybe pick something to do in it spur of the moment.   That just doesn't really happen in Buffalo and I've heard more than one player over the years mention trips to Toronto are where it's at. 

I mean, come on.  20-30 something guys.  Most won't want to look up a museum or tour the architectural wonders of Buffalo.  And wandering into a watering hole is cool on occasion but not on the same par as getting out in a big city. 

 

Buffalo has that. I 100% agree big cities have tons more stuff but it's not like Buffalo is just a gas station and a traffic light. Again, my point is if you want something, make a minimal effort to see if it exists in Buffalo. Want to hit Toronto? Go right ahead. Fun town. But if you have 4 hours free and want to do something, head to Elmwood Ave or Allentown.

[klos63]

54 minutes ago, Blank Stare said:

I cannot stand this comment about the area when it’s thrown around. And it’s not some inferiority complex thing either. I genuinely don’t get it. Seriously, what do all these other cities that these guys visit or live have that Buffalo doesn’t? I don’t live in the area anymore, but I visit at least once each year and there’s always plenty to do. Excellent eats and breweries. Not overly congested. Night time entertainment. Outdoor activities. Museums. Shopping. Etc.

 

Ok, so the taxes stink and winter weather can be tough occasionally - no palm trees as a certain cross town team GM would say - but so what? I’ve travelled and lived all over the country (including hot spots like Southern California and South Florida which always seem to be the envy of all these players) and Buffalo (and surrounding area) has everything you’d ever need and more. You’ve got to make the effort just like anywhere else you go to learn your surroundings. Maybe it’s the location of the stadium or where they live, but these guys just come off as a bunch of whiners when they make comments like this. Get out much?

He's not the first player to talk like that.  Maybe ask them?

I enjoy coming back to visit,  but the weather really does limit you.  

There probably is a lot more for people to do in other cities. 

I live in phoenix , during the winter I can hike,  swim,  ski, eat at a variety of restaurants,  never the same one...

If you have money,  the bigger cities offer more than most of us can afford. A reason hockey players are more comfortable here is likely because there's more to do in Buffalo than in Moose Jaw.

Nothing to get offended about.  Buffalonians love to crap on other cities, so it's not a one way street.