Diggs' Drama

[JP51]

1 hour ago, gordong said:

my bet will be KC... 

Could be thats a solid pick i would say

50 minutes ago, Captain_Quint said:

I know the media is bating the team trying to get them to say Diggs attitude was a distraction last year. But multiple players have said it in a roundabout way.

Dawkins this week was just the most recent, but it's the same story since the beginning of the year: we're better off without him. 

Addition by subtraction 

[hondo in seattle]

3 hours ago, klos63 said:

Houston paid him this season. We don't pay a player after he's traded. 

 

We ate 31 million in cap.  That's the same as paying him.  

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, klos63 said:

Houston paid him this season. We don't pay a player after he's traded. 

Peerless Price.  May have been different management though.

[mikemac2001]

3 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

We ate 31 million in cap.  That's the same as paying him.  

Paid him to go away seems better than paying him to stay and be an issue. 

Also received a pick back from it and get cap space in the future seems okay

[Behindenemylines]

4 hours ago, JP51 said:

OBJ like from now on.... big name no where near as an effective player... gonna go to Dallas i would bet

Agreed. Will have a few good plays time to time.  

[Beck Water]

On 12/15/2024 at 12:42 PM, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

It might make me sound insane but I’d take Diggs back next year. You know he’s going to be way more affordable and he knows the offense. The guy is a top 3 WR in the history of this organization. If he wanted to and Josh wanted him back, I’d be all for it. You come in and play your role. You are no longer the A1 option but if he wanted to come in and play alongside of Keon? I’m good. Assuming Cooper isn’t back obviously 

 

I'm with Simon.  No "might", it makes you sound insane.

 

Leaving aside any questions about whether Diggs has decided to shut up and catch the ball and be a good teammate now - and I say "when someone tells you who he is, Believe Him" - he'd be coming back off an ACL.

 

We've all seen that a player's first year back off an ACL, they tend to be tentative and aren't able to plant and change direction like they could before.  And that was Diggs bread-and-butter, the ability to juke defenders out of their shorts.

[Matt_In_NH]

5 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

We ate 31 million in cap.  That's the same as paying him.  

That is just cap bookkeeping.  No money changed hands this year.  It’s semantics, the bills did what was right for them.  

Edited Tuesday at 10:53 AM by Matt_In_NH

[PromoTheRobot]

14 hours ago, HappyDays said:

These snippets from Mike Silver's article in the Athletic are pretty interesting:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5997141/2024/12/16/josh-allen-bills-lions-mythical-play?source=user-shared-article

 

 

Thanks Von, for that ringing endorsement of WNY. "It's Buffalo.  What else are you going to do?"

[MrEpsYtown]

I pile on McDermott quite a bit for his in game decisions, but I will say that creating a culture in which guys just want to win and do what it takes is actually pretty amazing. The receiver room guys have stepped up when their number was called. 

 

Look at what happened in SF when Greenlaw came back and Campbell threw a fit. Milano came back and Williams got demoted and just kept on grinding. 

 

That's a testament to coach and the culture he created. Diggs was a culture killer. What you are seeing here, as many have said, is addition by subtraction. Credit goes to McDermott and Beane for making those moves, drafting and bringing in culture guys. We may be on the precipice of something special. 

[Spiderweb]

2 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

That is just cap bookkeeping.  No money changed hands this year.  It’s semantics, the bills did what was right for them.  

That bookkeeping kept the Bills from having 31 mil to spend on some additional players. What if the Bills were in on the King Henry train? Just an example.

[klos63]

8 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

We ate 31 million in cap.  That's the same as paying him.  

No it isn't.  Diggs doesn't get any of that money from us.  So it's not the same as the Bills paying him. 

[Matt_In_NH]

51 minutes ago, Spiderweb said:

That bookkeeping kept the Bills from having 31 mil to spend on some additional players. What if the Bills were in on the King Henry train? Just an example.

Again, that is cap, not money...if you are arguing the Bills never should have given him that extension they paid for but never got one game out of him, I agree bad contract...

Edited Tuesday at 02:11 PM by Matt_In_NH

[hondo in seattle]

4 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

That is just cap bookkeeping.  No money changed hands this year.  It’s semantics, the bills did what was right for them.  

 

I get what you're saying but I see it differently.  It's not real money but it's not semantics either.  By NFL accounting rules, it's just the same as if we wrote Diggs a check for $31 million.  

 

$70 million of Diggs' contract was guaranteed so I'm guessing some money did change hands when we traded Diggs though I don't know how much.  I assume Diggs got the remainder of that $70m.  

 

In any case, the bookkeepers allocated $31 million for Diggs this year which meant we had $31 million less for other players.  My point was, you don't take a dead cap hit like that unless you really want a player gone.  

[JP51]

8 hours ago, Behindenemylines said:

Agreed. Will have a few good plays time to time.  

Oh yes, I am sure he will... but even this year before the acl he wasnt the primary guy until Collins went down... I am not even sure he will be ready with the ACL in the beggining of the year kinda like OBJ (although he got hurt much later in the season in the SB) plus it takes a year to really round back into shape... I can see him as an effective slot guy maybe he was already speed diminished... I wonder though how his cutting ability will suffer he was such a precise route runner that relied on quick breaks.. we shall see... 

[IsolateThis]

38 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

I get what you're saying but I see it differently.  It's not real money but it's not semantics either.  By NFL accounting rules, it's just the same as if we wrote Diggs a check for $31 million.  

 

$70 million of Diggs' contract was guaranteed so I'm guessing some money did change hands when we traded Diggs though I don't know how much.  I assume Diggs got the remainder of that $70m.  

 

In any case, the bookkeepers allocated $31 million for Diggs this year which meant we had $31 million less for other players.  My point was, you don't take a dead cap hit like that unless you really want a player gone.  

Didn't Houston essentially have his contract assigned to them, and then they mutually agreed to tear it up and sign a new one? Meaning Diggs opted out of the $70M guarantee and into a new one year guarantee for $23M.

[QB Bills]

I was the biggest Diggs fan for most of his time here. A personal highlight was how he punked those Patriots fans in the Foxborough endzone after that one touchdown a few seasons ago.

 

But how could anyone want him back after the stuff he's said and done? Re-read that GQ article about how he all but says "they still wanted me but I wanted out". Guy is the definition of toxic and getting rid of him was the ultimate addition by subtraction move. 

[hondo in seattle]

9 minutes ago, IsolateThis said:

Didn't Houston essentially have his contract assigned to them, and then they mutually agreed to tear it up and sign a new one? Meaning Diggs opted out of the $70M guarantee and into a new one year guarantee for $23M.

 

Now that I think about it, I think you're right.  

 

Still, Beane had two choices:

 

A)  Keep Diggs and his talent on the team.

 

B)  Get rid of Digg and his issues and take $31m hit. 

 

The fact that he chose Option B tells me all I want to know.  I don't  want him back.    

[Búfalo Blanco]

Screw Diggs and every player like him... Tired of the "Me, Me, Me" attitude in football. That never works. It takes a team, and he's far more about Stefon.

 

I'm not saying the T.O.'s of the world aren't talented, they just aren't worth the trouble they'll bring to the locker room..

[dma0034]

I still remember after his first year when I said trading for him was a mistake especially since the pick led to Justin Jefferson and everyone jumped on me.

 

Oh how the turns have tabled

[Rocky Landing]

On 12/15/2024 at 10:42 AM, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

It might make me sound insane but I’d take Diggs back next year. You know he’s going to be way more affordable and he knows the offense. The guy is a top 3 WR in the history of this organization. If he wanted to and Josh wanted him back, I’d be all for it. You come in and play your role. You are no longer the A1 option but if he wanted to come in and play alongside of Keon? I’m good. Assuming Cooper isn’t back obviously 

We just paid him $30M not to play here...