GreggTX Posted August 31 Posted August 31 Forget the first 2 days for the moment. Can you recall any team having a better day 3 or 4 (UDFAs and invites) than Beane put together this year? Granted, it's too soon to know the final results, but I think several of these guys fron Davis to Andreesson have a real shot at becoming excellent starters. On top of that, we've got very good draft capital for next year and we will have plenty of FA money to spend. To me, when you say the Bills' window is closed, what you're really saying is that you have no faith in Beane. Sure he's had some misses, but he's had far more hits. What do you think? 7 1 1 1 Quote
Charles Romes Posted August 31 Posted August 31 They have been good at finding talent in the mid to later rounds for years. I’m glad they stopped trading away so many of the mid to later picks, and I was not happy about the Jets pick swap. Should have been leaning into the scouting and player development expertise years ago. Better late than never. Quote
Kirby Jackson Posted August 31 Posted August 31 I think when you have a lot of late round picks and UDFAs making your team it speaks more to the quality of your talent than to theirs. The Bills had to keep cheap guys this year because of the dead money. It’s the same reason that they ran that garbage roster out there in 2018. If you have the choice to hit early, or hit late, the answer is early 100% of the time. This team has always had good depth and a balanced roster. Finding quality players has been easy. Finding elite players has proven to be quite difficult. You win championships with elite players. The Bills have 1. 11 8 2 2 8 Quote
folz Posted August 31 Posted August 31 43 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: They have been good at finding talent in the mid to later rounds for years. For reference, here are Beane's post-day 2 picks (rounds 4-7, UDFAs, tryouts) (I only included UDFAs that made the team, practice squad, or had some impact---sorry if I missed someone). 2018 2019 2020 2021 4 Taron Johnson 5 Vosean Joseph 4 Gabe Davis 5 Tommy Doyle 5 Siran Neal 6 Jaquan Johnson 5 Jake Fromm 6 Marquez Stevenson 5 Wyatt Teller 7 Darryl Johnson 6 Tyler Bass 6 Damar Hamlin 6 Ray Ray McCloud 7 Tommy Sweeney 6 Isaiah Hodgins 6 Rachad Wildgoose UDFA Robert Foster UDFA Tyrel Dodson 7 Dane Jackson 7 Jack Anderson UDFA Ike Boettger UDFA Cam Lewis UDFA Antonio Williams UDFA Quinton Morris UDFA Levi Wallace UDFA Reggie Gilliam UDFA Cam Phillips UDFA Mike Love 2022 2023 2024 5 Khalil Shakir 5 Justin Shorter 4 Ray Davis 6 Matt Araiza 7 Nick Broeker 5 Sedrick VanPran-Granger 6 Christian Benford 7 Alex Austin 5 Ede Ulofoshio 6 Luke Tenuta UDFA Tyrell Shavers 5 Javon Soloman 7 Baylon Spector UDFA Richard Gouraige 6 Tylan Grable UDFA Kingsley Jonathan 6 Daequan Hardy UDFA Alec Anderson 7 Travis Clyton Tryout Ja'Marcus Ingram UDFA Frank Gore, Jr. UDFA Branson Deen UDFA Mike Edwards UDFA Te'Cory Couch Tryout Joe Andreessen 2 5 4 Quote
LABILLBACKER Posted August 31 Posted August 31 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I think when you have a lot of late round picks and UDFAs making your team it speaks more to the quality of your talent than to theirs. The Bills had to keep cheap guys this year because of the dead money. It’s the same reason that they ran that garbage roster out there in 2018. If you have the choice to hit early, or hit late, the answer is early 100% of the time. This team has always had good depth and a balanced roster. Finding quality players has been easy. Finding elite players has proven to be quite difficult. You win championships with elite players. The Bills have 1. So true, we need a Chris Jones or elite pass rusher which Josh has never seed in his career. We need an elite wr who won't be a distracted diva. And we need a HC who doesn't make blunders. Do that in the 4th- UFA portion and we might finally win a SB. Josh can't do it alone. 2 Quote
Reks Ryan Posted August 31 Posted August 31 1 hour ago, folz said: For reference, here are Beane's post-day 2 picks (rounds 4-7, UDFAs, tryouts) (I only included UDFAs that made the team, practice squad, or had some impact---sorry if I missed someone). 2018 2019 2020 2021 4 Taron Johnson 5 Vosean Joseph 4 Gabe Davis 5 Tommy Doyle 5 Siran Neal 6 Jaquan Johnson 5 Jake Fromm 6 Marquez Stevenson 5 Wyatt Teller 7 Darryl Johnson 6 Tyler Bass 6 Damar Hamlin 6 Ray Ray McCloud 7 Tommy Sweeney 6 Isaiah Hodgins 6 Rachad Wildgoose UDFA Robert Foster UDFA Tyrel Dodson 7 Dane Jackson 7 Jack Anderson UDFA Ike Boettger UDFA Cam Lewis UDFA Antonio Williams UDFA Quinton Morris UDFA Levi Wallace UDFA Reggie Gilliam UDFA Cam Phillips UDFA Mike Love 2022 2023 2024 5 Khalil Shakir 5 Justin Shorter 4 Ray Davis 6 Matt Araiza 7 Nick Broeker 5 Sedrick VanPran-Granger 6 Christian Benford 7 Alex Austin 5 Ede Ulofoshio 6 Luke Tenuta UDFA Tyrell Shavers 5 Javon Soloman 7 Baylon Spector UDFA Richard Gouraige 6 Tylan Grable UDFA Kingsley Jonathan 6 Daequan Hardy UDFA Alec Anderson 7 Travis Clyton Tryout Ja'Marcus Ingram UDFA Frank Gore, Jr. UDFA Branson Deen UDFA Mike Edwards UDFA Te'Cory Couch Tryout Joe Andreessen It looks every other Beane & co have hit on some good later round picks. 2018, 2020, 2022 and hopefully 2024 were very good. The odd years were flops. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted August 31 Posted August 31 1 hour ago, folz said: For reference, here are Beane's post-day 2 picks (rounds 4-7, UDFAs, tryouts) (I only included UDFAs that made the team, practice squad, or had some impact---sorry if I missed someone). 2018 2019 2020 2021 4 Taron Johnson 5 Vosean Joseph 4 Gabe Davis 5 Tommy Doyle 5 Siran Neal 6 Jaquan Johnson 5 Jake Fromm 6 Marquez Stevenson 5 Wyatt Teller 7 Darryl Johnson 6 Tyler Bass 6 Damar Hamlin 6 Ray Ray McCloud 7 Tommy Sweeney 6 Isaiah Hodgins 6 Rachad Wildgoose UDFA Robert Foster UDFA Tyrel Dodson 7 Dane Jackson 7 Jack Anderson UDFA Ike Boettger UDFA Cam Lewis UDFA Antonio Williams UDFA Quinton Morris UDFA Levi Wallace UDFA Reggie Gilliam UDFA Cam Phillips UDFA Mike Love 2022 2023 2024 5 Khalil Shakir 5 Justin Shorter 4 Ray Davis 6 Matt Araiza 7 Nick Broeker 5 Sedrick VanPran-Granger 6 Christian Benford 7 Alex Austin 5 Ede Ulofoshio 6 Luke Tenuta UDFA Tyrell Shavers 5 Javon Soloman 7 Baylon Spector UDFA Richard Gouraige 6 Tylan Grable UDFA Kingsley Jonathan 6 Daequan Hardy UDFA Alec Anderson 7 Travis Clyton Tryout Ja'Marcus Ingram UDFA Frank Gore, Jr. UDFA Branson Deen UDFA Mike Edwards UDFA Te'Cory Couch Tryout Joe Andreessen how many are still on the roster Quote
H2o Posted August 31 Posted August 31 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: If you have the choice to hit early, or hit late, the answer is early 100% of the time. This team has always had good depth and a balanced roster. Finding quality players has been easy. Finding elite players has proven to be quite difficult. You win championships with elite players. The Bills have 1. And this is the difference between us and KC. They drafted Pat Mahomes, Travis Kelce, Chris Jones, Nick Bolton, Trent McDuffie, L'Jarius Sneed, Creed Humphrey, Tyreek Hill, and Trey Smith. Now granted not all of those guys are there anymore, but they have all turned out to be top tier players and contributed to their run. We drafted Josh Allen. 6 Quote
juno999 Posted August 31 Posted August 31 22 minutes ago, H2o said: And this is the difference between us and KC. They drafted Pat Mahomes, Travis Kelce, Chris Jones, Nick Bolton, Trent McDuffie, L'Jarius Sneed, Creed Humphrey, Tyreek Hill, and Trey Smith. Now granted not all of those guys are there anymore, but they have all turned out to be top tier players and contributed to their run. We drafted Josh Allen. Mahomes, Kelce, and Jones are arguably the best at their respective position. Kansas City is absolutely killing it. Even when they traded Hill away, which was probably the right call, they got a great return. 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I think when you have a lot of late round picks and UDFAs making your team it speaks more to the quality of your talent than to theirs. The Bills had to keep cheap guys this year because of the dead money. It’s the same reason that they ran that garbage roster out there in 2018. If you have the choice to hit early, or hit late, the answer is early 100% of the time. This team has always had good depth and a balanced roster. Finding quality players has been easy. Finding elite players has proven to be quite difficult. You win championships with elite players. The Bills have 1. I agree with you. What are your thoughts on Kincaid? Elite potential? I'm hoping the Bills can draft a game changing WR1 and/or DE in next year's draft. 1 Quote
Dave in Avon Lake now Posted August 31 Posted August 31 Agree with OP Beane has found good talent late in draft and even accumulated several future late round picks for next year. I’m rooting for Joe D great story that could reap benefits Ashe gets playing time. May need a Milano replacement sooner than later as his contract only runs another year after this one. Quote
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted August 31 Posted August 31 Yes, we have plenty of good players. We lack elite playmakers, which is why the Bills are good, but yet to find greatness. 2 minutes ago, Dave in Avon Lake now said: Agree with OP Beane has found good talent late in draft and even accumulated several future late round picks for next year. I’m rooting for Joe D great story that could reap benefits Ashe gets playing time. May need a Milano replacement sooner than later as his contract only runs another year after this one. Joe D was elite. He was also an OG and retired decades ago 😂 Quote
Dave in Avon Lake now Posted August 31 Posted August 31 Sorry meant Joe Andreessen. Yes Joe D was great. Quote
Ya Digg? Posted August 31 Posted August 31 2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: So true, we need a Chris Jones or elite pass rusher which Josh has never seed in his career. We need an elite wr who won't be a distracted diva. And we need a HC who doesn't make blunders. Do that in the 4th- UFA portion and we might finally win a SB. Josh can't do it alone. Good luck finding one of those, pretty much ever. Great wide receivers are going to be divas, teams just need to figure out how to handle them 1 Quote
NewEra Posted August 31 Posted August 31 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: how many are still on the roster He gave you your answer. Use your brain. What is gained in asking a question when the answer was already given? 2 Quote
JerseyBills Posted August 31 Posted August 31 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I think when you have a lot of late round picks and UDFAs making your team it speaks more to the quality of your talent than to theirs. The Bills had to keep cheap guys this year because of the dead money. It’s the same reason that they ran that garbage roster out there in 2018. If you have the choice to hit early, or hit late, the answer is early 100% of the time. This team has always had good depth and a balanced roster. Finding quality players has been easy. Finding elite players has proven to be quite difficult. You win championships with elite players. The Bills have 1. We have 3 for sure- Allen,Taron, Milano.. But we have a bunch of fringe elites - Dawkins,Oliver, Von, Bernard, Cook, Kincaid, Rasul and Groot I believe can become 1.. Then guys like Shakir, Ocyrus who have the potential. But have had limited opportunities 1 Quote
folz Posted August 31 Posted August 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: how many are still on the roster Of the 53 players that I listed (Beane's picks rounds 4-7, plus UDFAs and tryout guys) -28 players (53%) are still on the Bills roster, practice squad, or PUP -37 of 53 players (70%) are still in the league (currently rostered by an NFL squad) -12 of the 53 players are out of the league -4 players were just cut on Tuesday (so currently out of the league, but could still possibly get picked up). So, at the start of training camps this year, 77.4% of Beane's late picks were still in the league. Considering the average NFL football career is 3.3 years. I would think that after 7 years to still have 53% on your roster and 70-77% still in the league must be pretty darn good percentages. Edited August 31 by folz 2 1 1 1 Quote
JerseyBills Posted August 31 Posted August 31 4 hours ago, GreggTX said: Forget the first 2 days for the moment. Can you recall any team having a better day 3 or 4 (UDFAs and invites) than Beane put together this year? Granted, it's too soon to know the final results, but I think several of these guys fron Davis to Andreesson have a real shot at becoming excellent starters. On top of that, we've got very good draft capital for next year and we will have plenty of FA money to spend. To me, when you say the Bills' window is closed, what you're really saying is that you have no faith in Beane. Sure he's had some misses, but he's had far more hits. What do you think? Bills window is wide open and ya, next year isn't getting talked about enough, we can bring in 2 elite FAs and have a ton of draft capital, future looks bright 1 1 1 Quote
Doc Posted August 31 Posted August 31 The rookies they kept all seem to have promise (they shouldn't have bothered drafting the English kid but it was just a 7th round pick). I haven't felt like that about the players they've kept in the past. Quote
BillsVet Posted August 31 Posted August 31 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: how many are still on the roster I wouldn't even look at 2023 or 2024 yet. Too early to tell. But 2018-2022...kinda meh in the way of reliable starters on O or D (sorry, 6th round kickers don't count considering most aren't even drafted). And not guys who occasionally started or were primary depth. Leaves Taron Johnson, Wyatt Teller, Gabriel Davis, and Christian Benford. Add Milano from 2017 and that's 3 defensive starters, 1 miscast WR2 on offense, and a G they prematurely let go who performed with another franchise. They're not a great drafting team because more often than not they play it safe and conservative. That's great if you want a roster with no big holes...but not if you're trying to win the SB featuring a more talented top of the 53. 1 Quote
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 31 Posted August 31 I'm just glad Beane finally learned to grab guys like Ray Davis on Day 3 when his M.O. was to take RB's in rounds 2 and 3. Drafting a RB should always give you an immediate impact player from day 1. But they are a dime a dozen still so please, no more day 1 and 2 RB's. That said, I really love Davis' skill set to potentially be the best back we have had in Buffalo since Freddy. 3 hours ago, folz said: For reference, here are Beane's post-day 2 picks (rounds 4-7, UDFAs, tryouts) (I only included UDFAs that made the team, practice squad, or had some impact---sorry if I missed someone). 2018 2019 2020 2021 4 Taron Johnson 5 Vosean Joseph 4 Gabe Davis 5 Tommy Doyle 5 Siran Neal 6 Jaquan Johnson 5 Jake Fromm 6 Marquez Stevenson 5 Wyatt Teller 7 Darryl Johnson 6 Tyler Bass 6 Damar Hamlin 6 Ray Ray McCloud 7 Tommy Sweeney 6 Isaiah Hodgins 6 Rachad Wildgoose UDFA Robert Foster UDFA Tyrel Dodson 7 Dane Jackson 7 Jack Anderson UDFA Ike Boettger UDFA Cam Lewis UDFA Antonio Williams UDFA Quinton Morris UDFA Levi Wallace UDFA Reggie Gilliam UDFA Cam Phillips UDFA Mike Love 2022 2023 2024 5 Khalil Shakir 5 Justin Shorter 4 Ray Davis 6 Matt Araiza 7 Nick Broeker 5 Sedrick VanPran-Granger 6 Christian Benford 7 Alex Austin 5 Ede Ulofoshio 6 Luke Tenuta UDFA Tyrell Shavers 5 Javon Soloman 7 Baylon Spector UDFA Richard Gouraige 6 Tylan Grable UDFA Kingsley Jonathan 6 Daequan Hardy UDFA Alec Anderson 7 Travis Clyton Tryout Ja'Marcus Ingram UDFA Frank Gore, Jr. UDFA Branson Deen UDFA Mike Edwards UDFA Te'Cory Couch Tryout Joe Andreessen Thank you for this effort! Wow, 2023 is slim pickens. 2 Quote
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