The Athletic Survey: Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson?

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, JP51 said:

I think the biggest question after this comparison is how does Jackson win 2 MVPs and Allen none? I will never get that. Edge in yards 26k to 21k.... thats almost a 20% difference and more available/durable with very similar results in the playoffs... and yet the writer of the article is baffled why people think Josh is better.... thats like say geez, I feel in the pool and I just dont have any idea why my clothes are wet... smh

 

There's been a lot of hype - some of it well-founded, some of it overstated - about Josh's problems with turnovers.  I think some see Josh as being undisciplined with the football.  

[MJS]

2 hours ago, Lafromboise said:

I ***** my pants on purpose one day just to leave work early. Tru story

There are better ways to leave work early...

[JP51]

9 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

There's been a lot of hype - some of it well-founded, some of it overstated - about Josh's problems with turnovers.  I think some see Josh as being undisciplined with the football.  

I think this is probably the fairest point they could make and you said it quite well... and maybe he is a bit undisciplined.  I would say that even with being undisciplined he is still out performing LJ statistically and with regards to availability. They still have very similar playoff success or lack there of.... but maybe what you say is very true, perception can create reality. 

[RobbRiddick]

2 hours ago, Lafromboise said:

I ***** my pants on purpose one day just to leave work early. Tru story

 

I tried that once but my boss made me finish out the shift. The passengers in my cab weren't happy one bit

[billsrul120]

17 minutes ago, JP51 said:

I think this is probably the fairest point they could make and you said it quite well... and maybe he is a bit undisciplined.  I would say that even with being undisciplined he is still out performing LJ statistically and with regards to availability. They still have very similar playoff success or lack there of.... but maybe what you say is very true, perception can create reality. 

 

This is a frustrating point; Josh Allen statistically has outperformed LJ in the playoffs by a wide margin.  Lack of success is more a fault of the Bills defense than anything else.  If the Bills held the Chiefs to 17 like the Ravens D did in the AFC Championship, Bills win the game easily.  

[JP51]

2 minutes ago, billsrul120 said:

 

This is a frustrating point; Josh Allen statistically has outperformed LJ in the playoffs by a wide margin.  Lack of success is more a fault of the Bills defense than anything else.  If the Bills held the Chiefs to 17 like the Ravens D did in the AFC Championship, Bills win the game easily.  

Agreed on every point... statistically he has outperformed and its not even like LJ has gotten better playoff results with his performance . I mean hey if he won 2 superbowls or even made 2 superbowls maybe you make that case of results over stats... but that just isnt not even remotely the case. I continue to not understand this fascination with Jackson... Excellent QB not in the Elite class of Mahomes, Allen, even Burrow.  MVP sorry I just dont get it. 

[Bills Bud]

Don’t matter. Neither have a Super Bowl and that matters

[Dablitzkrieg]

I will take Allen against any QB outside of Mahomes 

[smuvtalker]

1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said:

 

I tried that once but my boss made me finish out the shift. The passengers in my cab weren't happy one bit

😂😂😂

[stosh64]

People pay $$$ to read this crap?

[Sweats]

 

 

.........poor JA never gets the love.

 

[Goin Breakdown]

5 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Josh really needs to go into No More Mr Nice Guy mode this year. 

The whole team does

[BillsFan130]

3 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Brock Purdy helped lead SF to a Super Bowl in his 2nd season.  He threw for 4200 yards and had 31 TD passes.

 

He deserves to be right where he is.  

Jimmy G also led SF to a Super Bowl appearance in 2020.

 

Look at his numbers in San Francisco compared to his numbers in Vegas

 

103 passer rating in 2022 with SF, 77 in Vegas the next year.

 

It is a system full of stacked talent , that yes Brock Purdy does run well. But there is 0 percent chance he is sniffing 4000 yards and 30 plus TDs if he wasn't playing in SF

[Lafromboise]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

There are better ways to leave work early...

Unfortunately I ran out of excuses 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

11 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Brock Purdy in tier 2 is a joke in my opinion.

 

Jimmy G looked pretty damn good in that SF offence and as soon as you take him off a team that's full of all pros and he goes to another team, he loses his job to Aiden O Connell

Jimmy G never came close to putting up Purdy numbers in SF. Am I wrong? 
 

Jimmy G put up good numbers. Brock’s numbers thus far are elite. 

[CincyBillsFan]

8 hours ago, Nelius said:

Between the horrendous take and annoying tween speech, this person should be fired. There is no scenario where this is mind blowing.

I agree.  This writer is an absolute hack with what seems to be minimal knowledge of the players involved.  How he doesn't discuss the fact that Allen has played much better in the playoffs is astonishing.  That trumps the 2 MVP's for the simple reason that playoff performance is a real thing that can be quantitatively measured.  MVP's are a subjective award that involve more opinion then facts.

 

 

[Never NEVER Give-up]

7 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

it's the opposite imo

 

lamar is properly rated, allen is underrated

Agree. Underrated as evidenced by no MVPs and the lack of Pro Bowl nods and All Pro selections

[NoSaint]

9 hours ago, Nelius said:

Between the horrendous take and annoying tween speech, this person should be fired. There is no scenario where this is mind blowing.

im shocked! He’s more productive, more durable and has taken his team further in the playoffs- how could fans choose him?!?

[Billznut]

13 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

There's been a lot of hype - some of it well-founded, some of it overstated - about Josh's problems with turnovers.  I think some see Josh as being undisciplined with the football.  

Allen has a lower career INT rate than Montana, Manning and Marino, and that’s just amongst some of the greats. You never ever heard one complaint about any of those 3 hall of famers being a turnover machine. Allen’s turnovers are mentioned every single time he is talked about nationally. So, yeah, the turnover talk is very very much overstated and it’s beyond stupid at this point. 

[Alphadawg7]

18 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Brock Purdy in tier 2 is a joke in my opinion.

 

Jimmy G looked pretty damn good in that SF offence and as soon as you take him off a team that's full of all pros and he goes to another team, he loses his job to Aiden O Connell

Huh?  Sorry, no disrespect, but this was not at all the case. Jimmy G has not looked good at all in SF.  He was a statue who had horrible pocket presence and terrible vision.  They won a playoff game (where weather was not a reason) because they ran the ball like 98% of the snaps to avoid Jimmy throwing it.  Not even Niners fans liked Jimmy G.  
 

Purdy immediately improved the offense by a mile when he came in for Jimmy because he could actually use his legs to by time, avoid pressure, and see the field better.  
 

Even when Jimmy got paid after starting 5-0 over his first 5 games there, his stats were meh.  Niner fans call him “Pornstar Jimmy” because he was more interested in banging pornstars than working on his craft.  

Sorry, there was no stretch of Jimmy G’s career in SF where he looked “pretty darn good”, let alone remotely as good as Purdy has been.  That offense went from meh to elite switching from Jimmy to Purdy and it’s exactly why he lost his job to Purdy.  

Edited August 30 by Alphadawg7