Bobby Babich to call Bills' Defense

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, colin said:

the bills always have a solid regular season d.  the test will be in the playoffs, even vs teams we beat (cough, kc, cough) in the regs.  injuries are a bit of a reasonable excuse, but there have been just too many melt downs.  they showed new wrinkles to confuse mahomes in our last win, they need to keep that up and make an impact vs the better teams in the playoffs.

 

if we beat detroit at detroit in the regs, it means we will have beaten the best team in each conference in the regs.  there is a high chance that if we are not eliminated we will have to face them both again.  our d has killed us in ever playoff loss, and some wins too, so basically babich will either be a zero or a hero.  not really fair to him, but that's the nfl.

For what it’s worth, I think this is the worst Bills defense that we have had since 2020.

[colin]

19 minutes ago, FireChans said:

For what it’s worth, I think this is the worst Bills defense that we have had since 2020.

 

it might be, the talent level is lower particularly with injuries.  as i said before, what counts is the playoffs.  if we can be OK in the playoffs vs the better teams, it will be our best playoff performance on D in the current era and gives us a really solid chance to win.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

23 minutes ago, FireChans said:

For what it’s worth, I think this is the worst Bills defense that we have had since 2020.

That could be true but it’s still way ahead of what I expected losing two starting safeties and without Milano up until this point 

[FireChans]

21 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

That could be true but it’s still way ahead of what I expected losing two starting safeties and without Milano up until this point 

That’s fair but we can also call a spade a spade. They are 10th in points per drive, 18th in yards per drive, 21st in plays per drive and 23rd in time per drive.

 

They are above average at best. That’s still above average, but the worst since 2020 in basically every category. And yes, a lot of that has to do with guys like Williams and Hamlin starting, no doubt.

27 minutes ago, colin said:

 

it might be, the talent level is lower particularly with injuries.  as i said before, what counts is the playoffs.  if we can be OK in the playoffs vs the better teams, it will be our best playoff performance on D in the current era and gives us a really solid chance to win.

I think the best thing we have going for us is that Babich is kind of a wild X factor. This D still has McD fingerprints but new DC means maybe we roll out some wrinkles KC or Baltimore isn’t prepared for.

 

There’s reason for hope. I think our best chance to beat a team like KC in the postseason that has had our number historically is a coaching/strategic change that they may not expect.

[C.Biscuit97]

46 minutes ago, FireChans said:

For what it’s worth, I think this is the worst Bills defense that we have had since 2020.

I’m happy with everything and like BB as a good young coach but I did think it’s hilarious how things are viewed sometimes. 
 

Frazier and his top 3 defensive teams - soft, bum, 🤮

 

Babich and his 15th ranked defense - tough, future head coach, 😍

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

That’s fair but we can also call a spade a spade. They are 10th in points per drive, 18th in yards per drive, 21st in plays per drive and 23rd in time per drive.

 

They are above average at best. That’s still above average, but the worst since 2020 in basically every category. And yes, a lot of that has to do with guys like Williams and Hamlin starting, no doubt.

I think the best thing we have going for us is that Babich is kind of a wild X factor. This D still has McD fingerprints but new DC means maybe we roll out some wrinkles KC or Baltimore isn’t prepared for.

 

There’s reason for hope. I think our best chance to beat a team like KC in the postseason that has had our number historically is a coaching/strategic change that they may not expect.

Yea that’s fair…if Milano gets back up to 80-90% down the stretch I think it could make a big difference but guess we’ll see.  Dorian is progressing well but he still seems to get picked on

 

nothing will be as bad as that playoff defense against kc with aj klein taking all the MLB snaps lol

Edited Friday at 03:32 PM by Generic_Bills_Fan

[C.Biscuit97]

34 minutes ago, colin said:

 

it might be, the talent level is lower particularly with injuries.  as i said before, what counts is the playoffs.  if we can be OK in the playoffs vs the better teams, it will be our best playoff performance on D in the current era and gives us a really solid chance to win.

I still think Frazier got scapegoated. And that’s the thing with the playoffs. You play better teams with better qbs. The Bills (and it’s a good thing) have feasted on terrible qbs. Also, Milano is hurt most years, Tre white, and a lot of aging talent too. 
 

imo, defensive talent is the easiest to replace because it’s all about going young, hungry, aggressive players. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’m happy with everything and like BB as a good young coach but I did think it’s hilarious how things are viewed sometimes. 
 

Frazier and his top 3 defensive teams - soft, bum, 🤮

 

Babich and his 15th ranked defense - tough, future head coach, 😍

Idk if it’s warranted but coaches seem to get more credit for getting pretty decent results without much talented than getting great results loaded with talent 

 

we’ve also seen how it ends with Frazier lol. If babich’s defense gets roasted in the playoffs too people will sour on him also 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Idk if it’s warranted but coaches seem to get more credit for getting pretty decent results without much talented than getting great results loaded with talent 

 

we’ve also seen how it ends with Frazier lol. If babich’s defense gets roasted in the playoffs too people will sour on him also 

That’s fair too. 

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The Bills did not fire Leslie Frazier. I have had it from the horses mouth. He walked away. 

often is the case one walks away as there is no clear option to stay

[Sweats]

Love em or hate em (you see what i did there?).........but McD and Babich have this D playing with intensity, grit and passion. 

 

I mean sure, i'd love to have a top tier D that annihilates everyone, but these guys are playing tough as limited talent and i can't fault them for that. For the most part, they are going out every week and leaving it all on the field.

 

I, as much as anyone gets pissed off that they are giving up too many yards or big plays, but they are finding ways to keep us in games. All facets seem to be clicking at the right time and i feel fairly confident that our D will step up when needed to keep our post season push alive.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’m happy with everything and like BB as a good young coach but I did think it’s hilarious how things are viewed sometimes. 
 

Frazier and his top 3 defensive teams - soft, bum, 🤮

 

Babich and his 15th ranked defense - tough, future head coach, 😍

Frazier had multiple All-Pros.

 

Not saying he can’t coach or gets no credit but that affects the view. 
 

Is there a player currently on the 2024 Bills defense that will have an All-Pro nod in the next 2 seasons? Outside of TJ who has already missed significant time.

 

I think getting JAGs like Cam Lewis and Ingram to be net positives on the roster is weighed like turning Micah Hyde, a a good player, into an All-Pro tbh. 
 

All that being said, there’s only so much blood you can get from that stone. Turning guys like Cam Lewis into an All-Pro is not a coaching issue. It’s a talent issue. And that’s why this defense, imo, is weaker than it has been. 

[C.Biscuit97]

On 11/29/2024 at 11:48 AM, FireChans said:

Frazier had multiple All-Pros.

 

Not saying he can’t coach or gets no credit but that affects the view. 
 

Is there a player currently on the 2024 Bills defense that will have an All-Pro nod in the next 2 seasons? Outside of TJ who has already missed significant time.

 

I think getting JAGs like Cam Lewis and Ingram to be net positives on the roster is weighed like turning Micah Hyde, a a good player, into an All-Pro tbh. 
 

All that being said, there’s only so much blood you can get from that stone. Turning guys like Cam Lewis into an All-Pro is not a coaching issue. It’s a talent issue. And that’s why this defense, imo, is weaker than it has been. 

Rosseau and Oliver. Douglas and Benford could push too. That’s 2 1st round picks and a guy we gave up decent draft capital for. 
 

also, Poyer wasn’t regarded high when we brought him in. 

[GunnerBill]

On 11/29/2024 at 3:31 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’m happy with everything and like BB as a good young coach but I did think it’s hilarious how things are viewed sometimes. 
 

Frazier and his top 3 defensive teams - soft, bum, 🤮

 

Babich and his 15th ranked defense - tough, future head coach, 😍

 

Frazier was way underrated by this fanbase. He was one of the best DCs in football while he was here and the numbers back that up.