balln Posted August 28 Posted August 28 We picked him in the 5th rd last year. Seemed like a reach. Couldn’t produce at two big time programs. When we needed WR development. Nacua , at Perry , wicks (and others w decent production) picked after him. Not gonna lie. It’s pretty disappointing we used a 5th on shorter only to cut him one year later. If you want to take fliers on size and speed - make it make sense? 7th or udfa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_NFL_draft 2 7 1 1 2 3 Quote
JP51 Posted August 28 Posted August 28 4 minutes ago, balln said: We picked him in the 5th rd last year. Seemed like a reach. Couldn’t produce at two big time programs. When we needed WR development. Nacua , at Perry , wicks (and others w decent production) picked after him. Not gonna lie. It’s pretty disappointing we used a 5th on shorter only to cut him one year later. If you want to take fliers on size and speed - make it make sense? 7th or udfa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_NFL_draft Our attention, insight attention and accumen drafting WR absolutely needs to drastically improve. I think Beane would even agree with that. Such an impactful position in both production and cap percentage, you have got to be better. 5 1 Quote
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 28 Posted August 28 Just looked at a couple of websites, the average number of 5th rounds that stick around is very low. Depending on which site you go by, it's somewhere between 15% to 40% So no not disappointing, just normal. 4 2 Quote
Roundybout Posted August 28 Posted August 28 For every Nakua, there are 5,000 Shorters or Stevensons. 14 6 4 Quote
SCBills Posted August 28 Posted August 28 He did hit on Gabe Davis & Khalil Shakir on Day 3. That said, I think taking guys for Special Teams in RD5, when we haven't had particularly strong Special Teams play lately, is a tough sell and worth re-evaluating. 6 3 Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 28 Posted August 28 Never got that pick. 5 years, 1500 yards, 8 tds. That’s a lightly below even mid. 1 1 Quote
Low Positive Posted August 28 Posted August 28 Beane drafts more on physical traits than college production. Sometimes that works out and he finds value and sometimes it doesn't. 1 Quote
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 28 Posted August 28 I think we are all tired of the "this guy can play special teams" narrative. It would almost be palatable if we were even any good at special teams, but we arent. Terrible punter, shaky kicker, and who really cares about the rest. 4 1 1 1 Quote
TheBeaneBandit Posted August 28 Posted August 28 12 minutes ago, balln said: We picked him in the 5th rd last year. Seemed like a reach. Couldn’t produce at two big time programs. When we needed WR development. Nacua , at Perry , wicks (and others w decent production) picked after him. Not gonna lie. It’s pretty disappointing we used a 5th on shorter only to cut him one year later. If you want to take fliers on size and speed - make it make sense? 7th or udfa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_NFL_draft It happens man. 2 Quote
notpolian Posted August 28 Posted August 28 Need to take more bites of the apple instead of drafting running backs and the occasional punter. Quote
Mat68 Posted August 28 Posted August 28 1 minute ago, JP51 said: Our attention, insight attention and accumen drafting WR absolutely needs to drastically improve. I think Beane would even agree with that. Such an impactful position in both production and cap percentage, you have got to be better. Davis and Shakir are pretty solid hits. Both mid rd guys. Both productive players in college at smaller schools. Boise and UCF. Shorter is a bit of a break from their norm with an ultra traits guy and highly regarded recruit. He didnt work out. Shavers is a similar player and prospect but closer to the field imo. Quote
djp14150 Posted August 28 Posted August 28 17 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Just looked at a couple of websites, the average number of 5th rounds that stick around is very low. Depending on which site you go by, it's somewhere between 15% to 40% So no not disappointing, just normal. Getting logical on this page??? sure for every 5th or later test has an impact their are 25 others that don’t. The question in those successful becomes what was the reason? What did NFL scouting as a whole miss? Was it a perfect system fit? 1 Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 28 Posted August 28 Just now, SCBills said: He did hit on Gabe Davis & Khalil Shakir on Day 3. That said, I think taking guys for Special Teams in RD5, when we haven't had particularly strong Special Teams play lately, is a tough sell and worth re-evaluating. I think a big difference is those guys produced in college. Davis had 1200 yards and 12 tds his last year in college. Shakir had almost 1200 and 7 tds his last year. In one year, they almost out did what shorter did in 5. college stats can be very deceiving but his lack of production in 5 years is really telling. Reminds me of Robert Foster. Quote
Coach Tuesday Posted August 28 Posted August 28 22 minutes ago, JP51 said: Our attention, insight attention and accumen drafting WR absolutely needs to drastically improve. I think Beane would even agree with that. Such an impactful position in both production and cap percentage, you have got to be better. This is beyond debate. Their college and (especially) pro personnel track record with receivers has been really poor. Have to do some self-correction here. 3 1 Quote
RobbRiddick Posted August 28 Posted August 28 Ah thanks, I always wondered what position he played 1 Quote
JaCrispy Posted August 28 Posted August 28 30 minutes ago, balln said: We picked him in the 5th rd last year. Seemed like a reach. Couldn’t produce at two big time programs. When we needed WR development. Nacua , at Perry , wicks (and others w decent production) picked after him. Not gonna lie. It’s pretty disappointing we used a 5th on shorter only to cut him one year later. If you want to take fliers on size and speed - make it make sense? 7th or udfa https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_NFL_draft Yup…this was a very poor pick…I remember watching his highlights when we picked him… Whether it was his stiff herky jerky running style or his poor hands, nothing about this guy impressed me and I had a bad feeling it was going to be a miss… Not sure what Beane saw in this guy… 1 Quote
GASabresIUFan Posted August 28 Posted August 28 3 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said: Ah thanks, I always wondered what position he played Left out. Are we really bashing Beane for missing on a 5th rd pick? This is same guy who found all-pro T Johnson in the 4th, Gabe Davis in the 4th, starting WR Shakir in the 5th, future starting C SVPG in the 5th and starting CB Benford in the 6th. Quote
MJS Posted August 28 Posted August 28 A reach in the 5th round? There is no such thing. And he was projected to be a 5th round draft pick and graded as a "good backup with the potential to develop into starter." So, not a reach at all. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/justin-shorter/32005348-4f65-1252-2fb4-216da3af656d Besides, he may be back on the practice squad. We'll see. 2 1 Quote
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