All_Pro_Bills Posted August 27 Posted August 27 12 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Nothing about J6 and the Capitol was a protest. It was an insurrection. That’s the key. You don’t and won’t say the insurrection was wrong. And, until you do, you’re pro-smashing cops with fire extinguishers. BLM and Antifa terrorists injured 100x more police and citizens during their coordinated and planned riots, burning, and looting in numerous major American cities during the Summer of 2019 but that appeared to be memory-holed. Do you recall the results of the Congressional investigation into those riots? I don't either. 3
sherpa Posted August 27 Posted August 27 17 hours ago, phypon said: I absolutely agree that WMD's were a complete lie and that Bush/Cheney are criminals. How do you feel about Bush endorsing Kamala? Two questions for you if you believe this, which it seems you do. If it was a complete lie from Bush/Cheney, how did they get the entire US intel apparatus, along with those of other countries to go along with it? Most of them a career people, not affiliated with any Pres/VP. Second, given that we flew thousands of transports from here to there during the issue, if they were lying, why wouldn't they have included WMD evidence in one of those and planted it, thus saving the embarrassment? It really would have taken only one, and there were thousands. 2 1
Starr-Bills Posted August 27 Posted August 27 (edited) 6 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: BLM and Antifa terrorists injured 100x more police and citizens during their coordinated and planned riots, burning, and looting in numerous major American cities during the Summer of 2019 but that appeared to be memory-holed. Do you recall the results of the Congressional investigation into those riots? I don't either. Not the same thing at all. Not at all. They were protesting police violence. Most of the time the police would attack them. Example J6 was an insurrection, masked at a rally to cover their operation. Plan, coordination, weapons, and attack, and at a time to over throw an election. Why? So some fake narcissist, “billionaire” con man could stay in power. Not the same at all. Edited August 27 by Starr-Bills There is no antifa. 1 1
Starr-Bills Posted August 27 Posted August 27 20 hours ago, sherpa said: I'm more on the taciturn side of he loquacious/taciturn spectrum. I have no interest in discussing this, but to state that the entire US intel operation thought the Iraqi's had WMD, which they had used before. Not a doubt. Suggesting that Obama was responsible for finding bin Laden is the same as suggesting Nixon was responsible for Apollo 11. You might want to do some reading They used them on their own citizens (in Basra (with out looking it up) and the Kurds (which pedantically you could call their own citizens as well because of where the British drew lines ) in the north. I never said they didn’t. But they lost gulf war I AND WE DISARMED THEM, monitored them and maintained a no fly zone for a decade. of course they may have tried to build it back up but actually didn’t. WMD’S were a canard, to access the oil and change the dynamic in the Middle East. Both Obama and Nixon could have canceled the programs prior to success.
sherpa Posted August 27 Posted August 27 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Starr-Bills said: You might want to do some reading They used them on their own citizens (in Basra (with out looking it up) and the Kurds (which pedantically you could call their own citizens as well because of where the British drew lines ) in the north. I never said they didn’t. But they lost gulf war I AND WE DISARMED THEM, monitored them and maintained a no fly zone for a decade. of course they may have tried to build it back up but actually didn’t. WMD’S were a canard, to access the oil and change the dynamic in the Middle East. Both Obama and Nixon could have canceled the programs prior to success. I'm not sure you have an understanding of what the US was capable of after Desert Storm. As you recall, we eliminated them from Kuwait. We did not "disarm" them, to use your phrase, as we did not occupy acreage in Iraq. The no fly zones were meaningless in this discussion, but that issue, which is a different subject, led to the decision to eliminate the regime. In other words, the decision was more than simply WMD. Edited August 27 by sherpa
Starr-Bills Posted August 27 Posted August 27 8 minutes ago, sherpa said: I'm not sure you have an understanding of what the US was capable of after Desert Storm. As you recall, we eliminated the from Kuwait. We did not "disarm" them, to use your phrase, as we did not occupy acreage in Iraq. The no fly zones were meaningless in this discussion I misspoke when I said disarmed I mean the WMD inspection program. Going from memory, been awhile since I’ve been through this time line, it’s a good refresher. “Despite Baghdad’s subsequent cooperation with UN weapons inspectors, who found no evidence of ongoing prohibited weapons programs, the United States led an invasion of Iraq in March 2003 without council approval. The world subsequently learned that Baghdad had destroyed its nonconventional weapons and related programs following the 1991 war.”
Scraps Posted August 27 Posted August 27 6 hours ago, phypon said: It 100% was a protest. It was not an insurrection. No matter how much you try your best to spin it and follow the liberal media's playbook, you are wrong. All of your virtue signaling isn't going to change that FACT. You can call me any name you want to, you can try to label me as anything you want to, but feelings are not facts. It's pretty sad that you have to resort to making stuff up in your own mind to justify things that you inherently know are wrong. That's called cognitive dissonance. Your argument is completely illogical. That is not how logical deduction works. You are taking a page right out of the propagandist playbook, like the Left always does, and it's not working. People have woken up to your grift and you are only exposing yourself as someone with a low IQ. Using your logic, you are all for police brutality. Are you for police brutality? Because with your line of thinking it seems that you are all for police using extensive force against minorities and executing them. Is that what you are saying? Is a gallows typically seen at peaceful protests or insurrections? 1 1 1
SectionC3 Posted August 27 Posted August 27 (edited) 6 hours ago, phypon said: It 100% was a protest. It was not an insurrection. No matter how much you try your best to spin it and follow the liberal media's playbook, you are wrong. All of your virtue signaling isn't going to change that FACT. You can call me any name you want to, you can try to label me as anything you want to, but feelings are not facts. It's pretty sad that you have to resort to making stuff up in your own mind to justify things that you inherently know are wrong. That's called cognitive dissonance. Your argument is completely illogical. That is not how logical deduction works. You are taking a page right out of the propagandist playbook, like the Left always does, and it's not working. People have woken up to your grift and you are only exposing yourself as someone with a low IQ. Using your logic, you are all for police brutality. Are you for police brutality? Because with your line of thinking it seems that you are all for police using extensive force against minorities and executing them. Is that what you are saying? Hoax. The plan was to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. That's why it's an insurrection, and that's why it's more wrong than the violence that occurred in an entirely different and less meaningful context in summer 2020. If you're pro-J6, then you're anti-cop. That's just how it is. 6 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: BLM and Antifa terrorists injured 100x more police and citizens during their coordinated and planned riots, burning, and looting in numerous major American cities during the Summer of 2019 but that appeared to be memory-holed. Do you recall the results of the Congressional investigation into those riots? I don't either. Nobody is saying that such violence is acceptable. (I disagree about Antifa being a source of, well, anything, but that point is neither here nor there.). What happened on J6 wasn't simply organized crime, or what in NYS were probably a lot of C and D level felonies. It was an attempt to overthrow the government and disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. It wasn't just a violation of law. It was an attack upon the Constitution. It's just different. If you choose not to understand that or to ignore it, then that's on you. 6 hours ago, phypon said: It 100% was a protest. It was not an insurrection. No matter how much you try your best to spin it and follow the liberal media's playbook, you are wrong. All of your virtue signaling isn't going to change that FACT. You can call me any name you want to, you can try to label me as anything you want to, but feelings are not facts. It's pretty sad that you have to resort to making stuff up in your own mind to justify things that you inherently know are wrong. That's called cognitive dissonance. Your argument is completely illogical. That is not how logical deduction works. You are taking a page right out of the propagandist playbook, like the Left always does, and it's not working. People have woken up to your grift and you are only exposing yourself as someone with a low IQ. Using your logic, you are all for police brutality. Are you for police brutality? Because with your line of thinking it seems that you are all for police using extensive force against minorities and executing them. Is that what you are saying? Looks like fake Christian, and prosperity Gospel proponentl, B-Man has made his opinion known as well. B-Man says he follows Jesus, but then ignores the fact that Jesus was a socialist. B-Man tries to have it both ways, when he isn't supporting the golden calf or posting about cartoons and some other gibberish. Edited August 27 by SectionC3 1 1 1
sherpa Posted August 27 Posted August 27 29 minutes ago, Starr-Bills said: “Despite Baghdad’s subsequent cooperation with UN weapons inspectors, who found no evidence of ongoing prohibited weapons programs, the United States led an invasion of Iraq in March 2003 without council approval. The world subsequently learned that Baghdad had destroyed its nonconventional weapons and related programs following the 1991 war.” There was no view on the US' side that Iraq had "cooperated." CIA finding. US intel finding. 2
Starr-Bills Posted August 27 Posted August 27 Just now, sherpa said: There was no view on the US' side that Iraq had "cooperated." CIA finding. US intel finding. Okay. 👍👍
Tommy Callahan Posted August 27 Posted August 27 It's just funny when people try to rewrite history around the Iraq war. Pretending the entire body of them were not matching in unison. From the politicians to the media. It was 100💯 one sided. Only folks like Ron Paul and Bernie were opposing the machine 1
sherpa Posted August 27 Posted August 27 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: It's just funny when people try to rewrite history around the Iraq war. Pretending the entire body of them were not matching in unison. From the politicians to the media. It was 100💯 one sided. Only folks like Ron Paul and Bernie were opposing the machine Thanks for taking this sidebar. Appreciated. This issue, as painful as it is for us, all of us, exposed what the politics of this brings. The Dems approved the mission, in overwhelming numbers, having been presented the exact same evidence from the intel community that the executive was. When it was determined to be wrong, a failure of the intel community, they backed out, blaming it on the Bush Admin. Same as they backed out when Pelosi claimed she was never informed about interrogation techniques, which is preposterous. They do the same thing every time. Edited August 27 by sherpa 1
Starr-Bills Posted August 27 Posted August 27 4 minutes ago, sherpa said: Thanks for taking this sidebar. Appreciated. This issue, as painful as it is for us, all of us, exposed what the politics of this brings. The Dems approved the mission, in overwhelming numbers, having been presented the exact same evidence from the intel community that the executive was. When it was determined to be wrong, a failure of the intel community, they backed out, blaming it on the Bush Admin. Same as they backed out when Pelosi claimed she was never informed about interrogation techniques, which is preposterous. They do the same thing every time. Disagree.
Tommy Callahan Posted August 27 Posted August 27 1 minute ago, Starr-Bills said: Disagree. People believe in flat earth. Doesn't make it so. There was so dissenting voice in the run up to the invasion. Go check cspan. Media reports. It was a nice election season talking point. Remember when Cindy shehan was on the trail with Obama. He got the peace award by talking about peace. But then expanded every theatre and did the drone wars. Cindy was arrested for protesting the lies outside his Martha vineyard compound.
Scraps Posted August 27 Posted August 27 (edited) 19 minutes ago, sherpa said: Thanks for taking this sidebar. Appreciated. This issue, as painful as it is for us, all of us, exposed what the politics of this brings. The Dems approved the mission, in overwhelming numbers, having been presented the exact same evidence from the intel community that the executive was. When it was determined to be wrong, a failure of the intel community, they backed out, blaming it on the Bush Admin. Same as they backed out when Pelosi claimed she was never informed about interrogation techniques, which is preposterous. They do the same thing every time. Over 60% of the Dems in the House opposed the motion. 42% of Dems in the Senate opposed the motion. 28 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: It's just funny when people try to rewrite history around the Iraq war. Pretending the entire body of them were not matching in unison. From the politicians to the media. It was 100💯 one sided. Only folks like Ron Paul and Bernie were opposing the machine The media absolutely sucked on this. Edited August 27 by Scraps 1
Starr-Bills Posted August 27 Posted August 27 5 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said: People believe in flat earth. Doesn't make it so. There was so dissenting voice in the run up to the invasion. Go check cspan. Media reports. It was a nice election season talking point. Remember when Cindy shehan was on the trail with Obama. He got the peace award by talking about peace. But then expanded every theatre and did the drone wars. Cindy was arrested for protesting the lies outside his Martha vineyard compound. There were many protests. also there was a lot of pressure to support the president (no matter how unpleasant) Because we had just been attacked and we put country over party. A president who also stole the election (brooks brothers). this you think you re right so that makes you right to spout off is tiring.
Tenhigh Posted August 27 Posted August 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, Scraps said: Is a gallows typically seen at peaceful protests or insurrections? Jan 6, they day that nearly ended in infamy, when our top political midgets were in danger of hanging. 22 minutes ago, Starr-Bills said: There were many protests. also there was a lot of pressure to support the president (no matter how unpleasant) Because we had just been attacked and we put country over party. A president who also stole the election (brooks brothers). this you think you re right so that makes you right to spout off is tiring. Yet you keep doing it, election denier. Edited August 27 by Tenhigh 2
phypon Posted August 27 Posted August 27 2 hours ago, sherpa said: Two questions for you if you believe this, which it seems you do. If it was a complete lie from Bush/Cheney, how did they get the entire US intel apparatus, along with those of other countries to go along with it? Most of them a career people, not affiliated with any Pres/VP. Second, given that we flew thousands of transports from here to there during the issue, if they were lying, why wouldn't they have included WMD evidence in one of those and planted it, thus saving the embarrassment? It really would have taken only one, and there were thousands. Given that this was so long ago and there are more pertinent things going on today, I really don't want to get into this too much. It was admitted after the fact that the US intel was wrong. They never found WMD's. They were also advised by UN weapon inspectors that there were no WMD's, yet they still pushed that narrative. For me, it's an example of the "powers that be" duping us to get our support to do their bidding. It is our responsibility to question the motives of our govt. It's not that difficult to create a false flag. There are quite a few examples throughout history. Gulf of Tonkin and Pearl Harbor spring to mind. Again, not trying to get into this, just answering your questions.
Scraps Posted August 27 Posted August 27 6 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: Jan 6, they day that nearly ended in infamy, when out top political midgets were in danger of hanging. Peaceful.
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