Mat68 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: All this chatter about a punt returner? Really? While at the same time we keep a fullback as a legacy luxury and a field goal kicker who can’t seem to keep it between the uprights. No FB slander will be allowed lol 1 minute ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said: Hardy, Toohill, and Codmanington are like 53, 54, and 55. Who cares, IMO They went with a guy who can do all the return duties and a guy who flashed pass rush ability. At the end of the day. Kick off coverage will require guys getting off blocks. More DEs and Lbs will be active on game day vs Dbs and Wrs in years past due to the rule change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: The Rams primary returner last year was Austin Trammel who had 25/28 punt returns and 6/9 kick returns. He had one game all season where had more than 4 offensive snaps. He had 9 weeks where he had 1 or 0 offensive snaps. The Bill primary returner last year Deonte Hart played more than double the number of snaps of Trammel. So remind me, which team only gives a spot for special teams? Almost every team has a primary returner and almost every team uses that guy pretty sparingly on offense or defense. The Bills have brought in a returner because they didn't like what they saw out of Hardy in the pre-season in the return game re. presumably his decision making. I don't have an issue with that at all. I do question still the decision to cut him because IMO he had shown enough to be worth a roster spot ahead of hopeless vets like Toohill and Morrow who bring nothing except a voice in the room that you could easily get from a PS guy. This is where I'm at. My big thing with PR in Buffalo is catching the ball, particularly given the number of bad weather/windy games we play. That's it. I can't believe there's nobody else hanging around capable of fielding a ball, even if it's a revolving door for a few weeks with a PS player being used as a PR. It surprises me that we released a seemingly useful defense player at that position when there's going to be turnover there in the near future (Benford may demand a big deal, Douglas is aging and soon to be out of contract). This administration, however, has earned the benefit of the doubt, and I wonder if it's as simple as Hardy did something behind the scenes that prompted this result. (Perhaps as simple as defying an instruction not to field a punt at, say, his four yard line.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 15 minutes ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said: Hardy, Toohill, and Codmanington are like 53, 54, and 55. Who cares, IMO Hardy appeared to have potential to be far higher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Multiple times. I think I am just amazed that that particular narrative still exists Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 29 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Hardy had 2 returns Tds vs Umass at PSU. Tight situations he was not the return man at PSU. They used a safe return man. He has very good speed but is a cut and straight line runner. The new kick off rule will require instinctive runners. Hardy is not. Do roster your 3rd slot, punt return only but would be part of a committee? They didnt know how the new kickoff would look. Thought maybe Hardys style would work better. It did not. Then it's another failure of their scouting process. This regime just always seems to be overpaying for assets that should be easy to find on the cheap (special teams specialists, running backs, 5th and 6th d linemen) and underinvesting in skill positions on offense. Every single offseason. They HAVE to get their process fixed now that Allen's cap number is significant - but they don't even seem to have self-awareness or urgency about it. Instead, to use the Onion headline, it's "No way to prevent this" says the only team this regularly happens to. 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Slippery Rubber Mats Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Doc said: Hardy appeared to have potential to be far higher. Perhaps. But he was never going to be above Douglas, Elam, Benford, Ingram, Johnson, or Cam Lewis at this stage. So if they didn't feel like he could contribute (or be a determent to) special teams as CB7, then he was never going to make it. Plus, he's apparently hurt. I'd love him on the practice squad. Edited August 28 by Slippery Rubber Mats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 minute ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said: Perhaps. But he was never going to be above Douglas, Elam, Benford, Ingram, Johnson, or Cam Lewis at this stage. So if they didn't feel like he could contribute (or be a determent to) special teams as CB7, then he was never going to make it. Plus, he's apparently hurt. I'd love him on the practice squad. Lewis is really a safety who plays some nickel at this point rather than a corner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Lewis is really a safety who plays some nickel at this point rather than a corner. I mention him because I believe he is still our backup slot corner, even though he can play safety too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) I kind of thought the other day that Toohill was going to make it because Jonathan has shown very little and they need another experienced player at edge in case Solomon struggles and Miller is not miller. Someone has to play the run here. I am hoping they make a move today for a more traditional strong side defensive end, yes I know they have a bigger body in smoot but I would like to see them add one more. There are really none available so I doubt it happens. My offseason worry all along has been defensive line and not wide receiver like so many others and I fear this line struggles and an injury or two could cripple the line completely. Edited August 28 by MikePJ76 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 7 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: I kind of thought the other day that Toohill was going to make it because Jonathan has shown very little and they need another experienced player at edge in case Solomon struggles and Miller is not miller. Someone has to play the run here. I am hoping they make a move today for a more traditional strong side defensive end, yes I know they have a bigger body in smoot but I would like to see them add one more. There are really none available so I doubt it happens. My offseason worry all along has been defensive line and not wide receiver like so many others and I fear this line struggles and an injury or two could cripple the line completely. Hope I eat crow, but WR and S are my two biggest areas of concern going into the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 2 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said: Hope I eat crow, but WR and S are my two biggest areas of concern going into the season. an injury to either of those position groups also could make things really sketchy. On offense I believe 1 million percent in this running game and think that coupled with the pass catching abilities of the backs and tight ends here is going to keep the offense going until next year when they add another dynamic wide receiver. I have felt all along they are laying the foundation for a good group at wr and next offseason will bring in the headlining dynamic guy everyone is obsessed with, in the meantime I think they can win with this group. All of my concerns are about the defensive line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juno999 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 2 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: an injury to either of those position groups also could make things really sketchy. On offense I believe 1 million percent in this running game and think that coupled with the pass catching abilities of the backs and tight ends here is going to keep the offense going until next year when they add another dynamic wide receiver. I have felt all along they are laying the foundation for a good group at wr and next offseason will bring in the headlining dynamic guy everyone is obsessed with, in the meantime I think they can win with this group. All of my concerns are about the defensive line. Agree 100% regarding their plan to get a dynamic receiver next year. I believe the Bills realized they couldn't fix the WR room entirely this past off-season. They drafted Coleman who could be pretty good but most likely not a WR1. They got MVS as a stop gap to stretch the field this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 40 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: And while we ponder that, whatever did happen to Christian Wade?! 😢 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 2 minutes ago, juno999 said: Agree 100% regarding their plan to get a dynamic receiver next year. I believe the Bills realized they couldn't fix the WR room entirely this past off-season. They drafted Coleman who could be pretty good but most likely not a WR1. They got MVS as a stop gap to stretch the field this year. I like Coleman and am looking forward to watching him make plays this year. The preseason means nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) Anybody have a good reason as to why we used 1 of our 8 designed to return spots on Darrynton Evans? Did they not think he'd make it to the PS? Carrying 4 RB's or holding onto him in case someone gets hurt? Edited August 28 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 10 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: And while we ponder that, whatever did happen to Christian Wade?! 😢 went back to australia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Then it's another failure of their scouting process. This regime just always seems to be overpaying for assets that should be easy to find on the cheap (special teams specialists, running backs, 5th and 6th d linemen) and underinvesting in skill positions on offense. Every single offseason. They HAVE to get their process fixed now that Allen's cap number is significant - but they don't even seem to have self-awareness or urgency about it. Instead, to use the Onion headline, it's "No way to prevent this" says the only team this regularly happens to. At the draft he was picked primary as a return man. With the new rule they anticipated it being closer to a punt return. After seeing it across the league that is not the case. Late day 3 picks get cut all the time. Grable making the team at OT is a bigger deal than Hardy not. Last 3 years Buffalo drafted Cook, Kincaid, and Coleman in the first or second rd. Shakir, Coleman, Kincaid, Knox, Cook and Davis are all skill players drafted by the team and are in prominent roles in the offense. Edited August 28 by Mat68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 13 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: And while we ponder that, whatever did happen to Christian Wade?! 😢 He has scored 10 tries over the past two seasons for Racing 92 one of the biggest clubs in France. He has returned to England to play for Gloucester this upcoming season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Just now, GunnerBill said: He has scored 10 tries over the past two seasons for Racing 92 one of the biggest clubs in France. He has returned to England to play for Gloucester this upcoming season. Wow. There are a lot of billiards leagues and teams out there! * 🤔😉 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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