Fan in Chicago Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Wow, I thought one of Shavers or Hamler would make it. They must be very confident in MVS and Samuel. I was expecting Shavers to make it over MVS but clearly the FO wants the playoffs experience. With Shorter and Shavers both cut, it is clear that while Beane does well overall with the lower picks, that skill doesn't translate to the WR area. For some reason, the entire process of stocking the WR cabinet is a major weak point in an otherwise competent FO. Edited August 28 by Fan in Chicago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 37 minutes ago, Punching Bag said: Surprise NFL Roster Cuts https://www.profootballnetwork.com/surprise-nfl-roster-cuts-2024/ Buffalo Bills | WR Tyrell Shavers I want to find a DB named Jack so when Bills have DB move into run stuff formation they can call it Jack-in-the-Box formation. Jack in the Box from Astro City Comic. I would of kept Shavers over MVS 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 23 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: The move that maybe surprised me the most based on everything I'd read and seen posted was keeping Toohill over Jonathon at DE It surprised Sal Capaccio as well - he had them keeping 6 DE, but he had Jonathan over Toohill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2Coleman Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 hour ago, julian said: I agree, I’m fine moving on from him. The owners love and trust him so barring another 13 second coaching debacle, he’s going nowhere anytime soon, and even that might not move the needle enough for Terry to show him the door. Sad but true. 13 seconds was unforgivable in my opinion. Don’t want to waste all of Allen’s years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Another step closer to never having to read the name Andy Isabella again 🤞 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Brandon Codrington. A UDFA we got in a meager trade with the Jets. Described as a "speedy kick returner." Weird... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) I fear that I will never understand the Mack Hollins love by fans (or the team). Edited August 28 by Einstein 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 How could we cut this guy!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 15 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: I was expecting Shavers to make it over MVS but clearly the FO wants the playoffs experience. With Shorter and Shavers both cut, it is clear that while Beane does well overall with the lower picks, that skill doesn't translate to the WR area. For some reason, the entire process of stocking the WR cabinet is a major weak point in an otherwise competent FO. Hmmm. Shavers is an UDFA. Shorter is a late 5th round pick. Shakir is a late 5th round pick. Gabe Davis is a late 4th round pick. Hodgins is a late 6th round pick. Davis played for us 4 years and signed a low #1/high #2 contract in FA. Shakir seems to be someone we're counting on this year. That's at least 40% hit rate, if you don't count Hodgins having played decently for the Giants (just got cut though) I personally think the weak point is that Beane hasn't invested enough 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks in WR - not that he's especially poor at ID'ing Day 3 WR talent in the draft. I think if you look at Beane's overall draft record it's not breaking 40% at CB or LB or any other position drafted on day 3, and actually, 40% is pretty good 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 4 minutes ago, Einstein said: I fear that I will never understand the Mack Hollins love by fans (or the team). He is one of the least efficient WRs I’ve ever seen. Robert Royal 2.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: He is one of the least efficient WRs I’ve ever seen. Robert Royal 2.0. He was wearing cleats. That was the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 4 minutes ago, Einstein said: I fear that I will never understand the Mack Hollins love by fans (or the team). I'm not saying the guy is Jerry Rice or anything. But cherry picking tweets from 4-5 years ago and before his years of improvement is extremely disingenuous. 4 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Outside of Allen I can't make a good argument for another player that is supremely physically gifted on this roster. Beane and McD have built a roster of scheme specific role players with very few that can win individual match-ups. Even worse with the exception of Kincaid and Cook most of the next tier guys are on defense - Oliver, Rousseau, Johnson, Douglas, and the corpses of Milano and Miller. In almost every case save Herbert in LA, the other top tier QBs have at least one and sometimes more than one top end talent. As always our only hope is Allen, but he is going to need Brady to scheme some easier throws and build a consistent ground game outside of Allen scrambling. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Hmmm. Shavers is an UDFA. Shorter is a late 5th round pick. Shakir is a late 5th round pick. Gabe Davis is a late 4th round pick. Hodgins is a late 6th round pick. Davis played for us 4 years and signed a low #1/high #2 contract in FA. Shakir seems to be someone we're counting on this year. That's at least 40% hit rate, if you don't count Hodgins having played decently for the Giants (just got cut though) I personally think the weak point is that Beane hasn't invested enough 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks in WR - not that he's especially poor at ID'ing Day 3 WR talent in the draft. I think if you look at Beane's overall draft record it's not breaking 40% at CB or LB or any other position drafted on day 3, and actually, 40% is pretty good Fair. But I mixed two points in my post. 1. He hasn't hit on many lower picks at the Wr position . Which you disagree with , and I am fine with that but given the lack of top end talent, I would expect more "swing for the fences " picks 2. Prioritizing WRs in the draft, which has been discussed and debated ad nauseum on this board Edited August 28 by Fan in Chicago 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted August 28 Author Share Posted August 28 Sorry for the long delay in updating the opening post. Got into a very busy day at work and was unable to take the time to put in all the names. All settled now. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 1 hour ago, WEATHER DOT COM said: Live pic of MVS unleashed It's all fun and games until someone has the wear the cone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 5 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Fair. But I mixed two points in my post. 1. He hasn't hit on many lower picks at the Wr position . Which you disagree with , and I am fine with that but given the lack of top end talent, I would expect more "swing for the fences " picks 2. Prioritizing WRs in the draft, which has been discussed and debated and nauseum on this board I don't disagree that the hit rate at WR (2/5) has not been great on the day 3 picks. I'm just pointing out it's not necessarily better at other positions - yeah, we got a starting CB in the 6th in Christan Benford, a starting nickel in the 4th in Taron Johnson. But what's your take on Dane Jackson, Damar Hamlin, Jacquan Johnson, and Siran Neal? Most people here seemed to think Johnson and Neal had no business starting on D and made the team as STers, which is true. Consensus also seemed to be that Jackson needed an upgrade (which, Elam was supposed to be) and so did Hamlin. And Rachad Wildgoose, Alex Austin, and Daequan Hardy didn't make the team. So let's call Jackson and Hamlin positives (they did both start) and Neal and Jacquan Johnson negatives, fair? So that would be 4 out of 8 hit rate, 50% I guess that's better than 40%, but at the 8 DB vs 5 WR numbers, it's not a significant difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Outside of Allen I can't make a good argument for another player that is supremely physically gifted on this roster. Beane and McD have built a roster of scheme specific role players with very few that can win individual match-ups. Even worse with the exception of Kincaid and Cook most of the next tier guys are on defense - Oliver, Rousseau, Johnson, Douglas, and the corpses of Milano and Miller. In almost every case save Herbert in LA, the other top tier QBs have at least one and sometimes more than one top end talent. As always our only hope is Allen, but he is going to need Brady to scheme some easier throws and build a consistent ground game outside of Allen scrambling. Spencer Brown has 10 for RAS maybe try looking if you can’t name another supremely gifted player. Literally the most athletic tackle ever. cole bishop at 9.8+ (though no agility testing). ed Oliver 9.88 knox 9.23 for more offense Edited August 28 by YattaOkasan 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GASabresIUFan Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 Who are the bottom players on this roster? Toohill has to be close to the bottom if not player 53. Spector and Andreessen have to be near the bottom. Evans (in 4 weeks), MVS and Ingram have to be there as well. 49 - MVS 50 - Spector 51 - Ingram 52 - Andreessen 53 - Casey Toohill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 28 Share Posted August 28 9 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: Spencer Brown has 10 for RAS maybe try looking if you can’t name another supremely gifted player. Literally the most athletic tackle ever. cole bishop at 9.8+ (though no agility testing). ed Oliver 9.88 knox 9.23 for more offense Brown so far is at best an average RT. He still has much to prove to get a second deal. Injuries have held him back no doubt. He has gotten better. But if he had a 10 and that is supposed to mean something, how does he last until the fourth round and still struggle moving his feet in pass protection? Oliver is a good to very good DT with zero pro bowls and no where near a top 10 draft pick talent. He is not really elite at anything - size, speed, or strength, and has been injured a fair amount. He makes a handful of plays and can dominate at times. He lacks consistency and again has no physical trait that is elite. Knox is the most physically gifted TE the Bills have ever had but that is a bit back-handed as the Bills have had the worst collective history of TEs in the league. Not a single ProBowl player since the merger. He is one of my favorite players, but either due to injury or lack of consistency he wasn't even good enough to keep Beane from drafting a TE to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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