Ray Davis vs Braelon Allen

[Robert Paulson]

9 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen said:

Cook is faster. Just saying Davis has borderline breakaway speed and can absolutely outrun linebackers and safeties.

 

He ran like 4.50 flat and has real outside speed unlike Singletary. I like singletary but he was very limited after 10-15 yds

 

Davis has a legitimate second gear 

Cook has blown me away this year. He has matured and 'gets it'. He looks happy out there- double digit tuddys will do that

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 10/15/2024 at 8:27 AM, NewEra said:

He won’t be leaving next year.  He’ll be leaving in 2026

I don’t think he needs to be force fed, rather just needs an opening.  He had very few holes prior to yesterday 

 

Nice thing is there's a lot of free agent backs in 2026.  Cook probably commands a higher price, but you can get a solid rb2 likely after the cards fall.  Or just keep drafting them.  

[Kelly to Allen]

https://draftscout.com/dsprofile.php?PlayerId=1030613&DraftYear=2024

 

Ray Davis combine numbers and pro day

Edited December 5 by Kelly to Allen

[Billy Claude]

Returning to the OP's original question of Ray Davis vs. Baelon Allen , Baelon Allen has completely fallen off a cliff in his last 8 games.

 

In that span, Baelon Allen has 40 carries for 110 yards (2.75 yards per carry).  A lot of his carries are probably in short yardage situations but he had 4.8 ypc on 26 carries in the first 4 games.

 

Allen's receiving stats are even worse.  He has 5 receptions on 9 targets for 40 yards (8.0 ypr, 4.4 ypt) during the 8 games.  How does a running back have a 55% reception rate?

 

For comparison, Davis' stats over his last 8 games are 54 carries for 267 yards (4.94 ypc) and 8 receptions on 9 targets for 139 yards (17.4 ypr, 15.4 ypt).

 

It makes you feel sorry for anyone drafted by the New York Jets.  It seems the longer you play for the Jets the worse you get.

 

 

 

[Big Turk]

Bills have a great RB room...all of them can make plays at any time.

[Utah John]

Davis and Cook are almost exactly the same age.  Cook is about six weeks older.  No telling which one wears out faster.

 

(And Ty Johnson is two years older.)

 

All three have good years, potentially, before age catches up.

Edited December 5 by Utah John

[Utah John]

2 hours ago, Billy Claude said:

Returning to the OP's original question of Ray Davis vs. Baelon Allen , Baelon Allen has completely fallen off a cliff in his last 8 games.

 

In that span, Baelon Allen has 40 carries for 110 yards (2.75 yards per carry).  A lot of his carries are probably in short yardage situations but he had 4.8 ypc on 26 carries in the first 4 games.

 

Allen's receiving stats are even worse.  He has 5 receptions on 9 targets for 40 yards (8.0 ypr, 4.4 ypt) during the 8 games.  How does a running back have a 55% reception rate?

 

For comparison, Davis' stats over his last 8 games are 54 carries for 267 yards (4.94 ypc) and 8 receptions on 9 targets for 139 yards (17.4 ypr, 15.4 ypt).

 

It makes you feel sorry for anyone drafted by the New York Jets.  It seems the longer you play for the Jets the worse you get.

 

 

 

Breece Hall's rookie contract runs out at the end of next season.  And he's seriously pissed at being stuck on a dysfunctional team.  (He's also two years younger than Cook or Davis, FWIW.)  Some team, probably not the Bills, will grab him as a FA if the Jets don't seriously overpay him to stick around.  If he leaves, is Braelon Allen the man to replace Hall?  It doesn't look like it so far.

[Sweats]

What i've seen is that Cook runs extremely well on the outside and yet, we continue to try to run him up the gut and that's where Davis earns his bread and butter on those plays.

 

.......just saying

[Cray51]

9 minutes ago, Utah John said:

Breece Hall's rookie contract runs out at the end of next season.  And he's seriously pissed at being stuck on a dysfunctional team.  (He's also two years younger than Cook or Davis, FWIW.)  Some team, probably not the Bills, will grab him as a FA if the Jets don't seriously overpay him to stick around.  If he leaves, is Braelon Allen the man to replace Hall?  It doesn't look like it so far.

Breece is primed for a big deal on a team with a rookie QB contract at the end of next year - Giants/Denver/Raiders/etc.

[947]

14 minutes ago, Utah John said:

Davis and Cook are almost exactly the same age.  Cook is about six weeks older.  No telling which one wears out faster.

 

I read somewhere before the season started that Cook & Davis had nearly the exact same number of career touches (College + NFL combined).

[Sojourner]

I liked Ray more than Allen as a prospect but that Jets gig is a joke behind that line and they seem geared to use Hall, which I don’t blame them, on every down possible. 
 

I think if you flipped their situation we’d be pleased with Allen just as much as we are Davis, at least imo. 

[The Jokeman]

49 minutes ago, Utah John said:

Breece Hall's rookie contract runs out at the end of next season.  And he's seriously pissed at being stuck on a dysfunctional team.  (He's also two years younger than Cook or Davis, FWIW.)  Some team, probably not the Bills, will grab him as a FA if the Jets don't seriously overpay him to stick around.  If he leaves, is Braelon Allen the man to replace Hall?  It doesn't look like it so far.

That's why the Jets doubled up and also drafted Isaiah Davis.

[Gambit]

4 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

Not sure he has the top end speed Cook has but he rubs hard through the tackles 

Is that legal?

[NORWOODS FOOT]

Davis has been great. I did prefer Allen over him during the draft, and one thing to note: there is a sizable age difference between the two, so it’s a hard comparison to make. I want to see what Allen is once he matures.

[freddyjj]

4 hours ago, NORWOODS FOOT said:

Davis has been great. I did prefer Allen over him during the draft, and one thing to note: there is a sizable age difference between the two, so it’s a hard comparison to make. I want to see what Allen is once he matures.

More importantly, see if Allen can develop his piss poor pass blocking and receiving skills.  

[T master]

On 8/21/2024 at 6:52 PM, TFBillsfan said:

This will be interesting to see how these two fourth round picks play out. Bills had their choice and went with a RB who is 4 years older and smaller. Their division rival used their pick 6 picks later on Allen. Hoping the Bills got it right. Candidly, I preferred Allen due to his age, size and college experience coming from a run oriented program like Wisconsin. Both have had solid preseasons thus far and look like they will be contributors.  Thoughts on who will have the better career?
 

Braelon Allen: 6ft 1in 235lbs 20 years old pick 134 by the NYJ

 

Ray Davis: 5ft 8in 220lbs 24 years old pick 128 by the Bills

 

Braelon Allens - 67  Attempts, 240 yds , 3.6 yds avg. 2 TD's 

 

Ray Davis - 80 Attempts, 342 yds, 4.3 yds avg. , 3 TD's 

 

Yr to date ...

Edited December 6 by T master

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

22 hours ago, Billy Claude said:

Returning to the OP's original question of Ray Davis vs. Baelon Allen , Baelon Allen has completely fallen off a cliff in his last 8 games.

 

In that span, Baelon Allen has 40 carries for 110 yards (2.75 yards per carry).  A lot of his carries are probably in short yardage situations but he had 4.8 ypc on 26 carries in the first 4 games.

 

Allen's receiving stats are even worse.  He has 5 receptions on 9 targets for 40 yards (8.0 ypr, 4.4 ypt) during the 8 games.  How does a running back have a 55% reception rate?

 

For comparison, Davis' stats over his last 8 games are 54 carries for 267 yards (4.94 ypc) and 8 receptions on 9 targets for 139 yards (17.4 ypr, 15.4 ypt).

 

It makes you feel sorry for anyone drafted by the New York Jets.  It seems the longer you play for the Jets the worse you get.

 

 

 

 

Low sample size is part of it... i'd say aaron rodgers mailing in the season is another part of it.  

[Logic]

I like Ray Davis a lot. His vision, contact balance, and north-south running without much dancing are impressive.

I continue to operate under the belief -- and I know I'm in the minority here -- that Ray Davis should eventually become the 1B to Cook's 1A, or vice versa.

Specifically, I'd like to see the two of them used basically EXACTLY how the Lions use Montgomery and Gibbs. I think Davis an do what Montgomery does, and I think Cook can do what Gibbs does.

For those saying that would take the ball out of Cook's hands too much, I disagree. Jahmyr Gibbs, despite ceding serious playing time to Montgomery, has 1016 rushing yards and 10 TDs, plus 316 receiving yards and 1 TD, and he still has five games left to play.

I think letting Davis be more of a 1st and 2nd down banger, and/or alternating drives with Cook, will keep Cook fresh and increase his longevity. I also think that Ray Davis has been too impressive in the looks he's gotten to continue to get as few as he does.

And to the point of this thread: I'll take Davis over Allen, thank you. He doesn't wow you as much coming off the bus, but he's silky smooth and has looked like a seasoned vet from day 1 (probably because he's 37 years old)

[boyst]

Just imo...

 

4 yrs age difference doesn't matter because neither of these guys deserve a big second contract.  I'm on the fence about a big contract for Cook even. 

23 hours ago, Robert Paulson said:

Cook has blown me away this year. He has matured and 'gets it'. He looks happy out there- double digit tuddys will do that

His patience has grown , his vision is better, and he is just as you said "getting it*

[Warriorspikes51]

He's had some big plays and God forbid, if Cook goes down he's more than capable of 20 carries a game
 

We have a real nice RB room at the moment.  The skill sets complement each other well