Guardian Cap

[Figster]

Just now, Punching Bag said:

The NFL needs to penalize more meaningfully lowering and hitting with head as Tua did.  It will not include when player moves head into hit. It needs to involve loss of game checks and suspended from games when player is healthy. Penalties will increase with repeated use of helmet as weapon.  

 

A player may choose to hit opposition player with head for it may prevent a big play and they feel that is worth it but if it is a bigger penalty each time they will change their actions.  

Penalty can be called both ways. 

 

The whole problem here is for defenders the head is in between two tackling arms. For ball carriers any forward lean and your head is going to be the 1st part of your body that makes contact in many instances IMO. 

[Figster]

10 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

And then where does that compressed air go?

Take a rubber glove and fill it with air. Then squeeze, push, or hit with a hammer. The air gets pushed into other fingers or parts of the glove. 

Edited September 15, 2024 by Figster

[Einstein]

5 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

In mechanics the use of pressure relief valves is quite common.

 

 

The problem with pressure relief valves are three-fold:

 

1) The existence of such valve mitigates the cushioning effect of the air bladder. Thus why the Zorb balls you posted above don’t have them. If they did, the human inside would feel the hit of the person upon them, rather than being cushioned. 

 

2) Another problem with a pressure relief valve is, even if you found some benefit (which is doubtful), you would have to find a way to reinflate to specification after each collision. 

 

2) The next idea you will likely think of is a pressure relief valve that slowly dissipates energy. The problem with that is energy does not wait for you to dissipate. The kenetic to potential energy will spring back faster than you can relieve it over time.

 

 

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, Figster said:

Take a rubber glove and fill it with air. Then squeeze, push, or hit with a hammer. The air gets pushed into other fingers or parts of the glove.

 

I say this with kindness: Your understanding of physics is deeply flawed and it’s preventing you from seeing how far off-base your suggestions are. When you squeeze or hit a glove filled with air, the air simply moves - it’s redistributed, not absorbed, dissipated, or dampened. Redistribution of air does nothing to negate energy; it just shifts the energy to another area.

 

In the context of a helmet, this would be dangerous. Redistributing all that impact energy to specific points on the head means certain areas could take much more force, increasing the risk of injury. The point of a helmet is to absorb and dissipate energy across the entire surface, preventing it from reaching the brain. Redistribution, on the other hand, does nothing but move the risk to a different area without reducing it.

 

As you and Sierra are finding out, this is a very complex problem. We have many PhD’s working on this issue and it’s difficult for them as well. There is no simple answer.

[Figster]

4 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I say this with kindness: Your understanding of physics is deeply flawed and it’s preventing you from seeing how far off-base your suggestions are. When you squeeze or hit a glove filled with air, the air simply moves - it’s redistributed, not absorbed, dissipated, or dampened. Redistribution of air does nothing to negate energy; it just shifts the energy to another area.

 

In the context of a helmet, this would be dangerous. Redistributing all that impact energy to specific points on the head means certain areas could take much more force, increasing the risk of injury. The point of a helmet is to absorb and dissipate energy across the entire surface, preventing it from reaching the brain. Redistribution, on the other hand, does nothing but move the risk to a different area without reducing it.

 

As you and Sierra are finding out, this is a very complex problem. We have many PhD’s working on this issue and it’s difficult for them as well. There is no simple answer.

Fair enough, 

 

I appreciate the input

 

The simple answer for now, put a Guardian cap on the mess helmet designers have created.

 

Get it on the heads of the players...

 

https://safetyairproducts.com/

 

 controlled-rate impact deceleration

 

comfortable and secure shock absorption system

 

Different application albeit...

 

Note: A body in free fall hits the speed of approximately 120 mph in 3 to 5 seconds.

Edited September 15, 2024 by Figster

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

. The kenetic to potential energy will spring back faster than you can relieve it over time.

 

 

I can personally vouch for the truth of this statement 

[UConn James]

Guardian Cap 2.0 will be available in February, per propaganda.

 

More streamlined and looks a sight better than the cloth shroud covering NFL players are currently wearing. Almost looks like the old leather helmets.

 

https://x.com/UNISWAG/status/1879594677789438108

[Simon]

 

I've been happy to see a few players wearing them in the playoffs.

Not many, but you have to start somewhere.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

10 minutes ago, UConn James said:

Guardian Cap 2.0 will be available in February, per propaganda.

 

More streamlined and looks a sight better than the cloth shroud covering NFL players are currently wearing. Almost looks like the old leather helmets.

 

https://x.com/UNISWAG/status/1879594677789438108

Kind of looks old school.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

I read the thread title, and thought that Russ Brandon had tried to weasel his way into a job there.  Well, not a job...a position.

[Harold Jackson]

The new helmets and head pillows are useless and pointless and do nothing.

You get hit and your brain still moves.

It's pseudo science.

What you should be asking is why are these players falling down when it wasn't happening that much in the 70s through 90s when it was supposedly not as safe.  

All they did was create a new financial industry for helmet makers. 

 

 

 

[Kelly to Allen]

Ray Davis will be in his kelso helmet 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

16 minutes ago, Harold Jackson said:

The new helmets and head pillows are useless and pointless and do nothing.

You get hit and your brain still moves.

It's pseudo science.

What you should be asking is why are these players falling down when it wasn't happening that much in the 70s through 90s when it was supposedly not as safe.  

All they did was create a new financial industry for helmet makers. 

 

 

 

I’m sure there is some impact they absorb. But yes, they will not prevent concussions. A perfect example is the Romeo Doubs concussion last week. Actually doesn’t even look very bad but still gets a concussion with a guardian cap on.

[Figster]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’m sure there is some impact they absorb. But yes, they will not prevent concussions. A perfect example is the Romeo Doubs concussion last week. Actually doesn’t even look very bad but still gets a concussion with a guardian cap on.

Some players like Tua for instance are more vulnerable because of the cumulative damage already done. Something the Guardian cap also helps reduce and why I'm happy to see many football programs implementing the protection to its players at an early age. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, Figster said:

Some players like Tua for instance are more vulnerable because of the cumulative damage already done. Something the Guardian cap also helps reduce and why I'm happy to see many football programs implementing the protection to its players at an early age. 

Data shows they help. Nothing will ever prevent concussions.

[reddogblitz]

 

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On 9/13/2024 at 4:04 AM, HOUSE said:

Here you go...

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-to-give-players-option-to-wear-guardian-caps-during-regular-season-games

 

From the article:

 

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The league said when the Guardian Caps debuted in 2022 that they can reduce the force from head contact by 10% if one player is wearing it, and 20% if all players involved are wearing them.

 

This (and other things) show me the NFL is full of BS on this "player safery" stuff.  If you could reduce the force from head contact by 20% if everyone wore one, if they were really serious about "player safety" they would require all players to wear one.  The problem is, they just look silly and could affect the bottom line.

[Figster]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Data shows they help. Nothing will ever prevent concussions.

Data would show they help more when everyone wears one. Further reducing the helmet to helmet impact. Maybe the game of football doesn't get new rule changes making it very hard for defenders to make a tackle because their fool head is in between two tackling arms. How many other kinds of injuries would it prevent? QB's hand or arm coming down on a helmet can cause injury. Guardian cap helps prevent this from happening. 

11 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

This

 

From the article:

 

 

This (and other things) show me the NFL is full of BS on this "player safery" stuff.  If you could reduce the force from head contact by 20% if everyone wore one, if they were really serious about "player safety" they would require all players to wear one.  The problem is, they just look silly and could affect the bottom line.

Nicely put red

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

[Haslett_Stomp]

remove the face mask and it will solve the problem.

[JP51]

On 9/15/2024 at 3:02 PM, Einstein said:

 

I say this with kindness: Your understanding of physics is deeply flawed and it’s preventing you from seeing how far off-base your suggestions are. When you squeeze or hit a glove filled with air, the air simply moves - it’s redistributed, not absorbed, dissipated, or dampened. Redistribution of air does nothing to negate energy; it just shifts the energy to another area.

 

In the context of a helmet, this would be dangerous. Redistributing all that impact energy to specific points on the head means certain areas could take much more force, increasing the risk of injury. The point of a helmet is to absorb and dissipate energy across the entire surface, preventing it from reaching the brain. Redistribution, on the other hand, does nothing but move the risk to a different area without reducing it.

 

As you and Sierra are finding out, this is a very complex problem. We have many PhD’s working on this issue and it’s difficult for them as well. There is no simple answer.

I am as far from a scientist as you get... and i struggled to pass earth science im middle school so there is that....

 

In the end i think they can improve helmets only so much football is violent and energy on impact is going to go someplace and hits to the head are always gonna cause some impact so there is no real magic cure. 

 

I think the other piece as I understand it is that it's not always the direct contact it's the brain knocking on the inside of the skull with abrupt stopping and honestly I am not sure how you stop that with a helmet... I am sure of this they are probably trying everything they can to improve safety but really big men moving really fast and colliding is gonna cause problems always