Training Camp 8/5

[Sierra Foothills]

7 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Sucks he had to have his left arm amputated!

 “It’s a tough league.”

 

Richard Manuel Jauron

[Beast]

I remember a few years back when the Bills went the whole season with very few injuries. Their training staff was hailed as the best in the league.

 

Since then…..lots of injuries.

 

I don’t think our training staff is any less competent. Injuries, for the most part, are a design of bad luck.

[Motorin']

14 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 “It’s a tough league.”

 

Richard Manuel Jauron

[LABILLBACKER]

58 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

This preseason game matters

My vote is for Hamler or Shavers to make it

Hope to see one of those two show up and shine.

Claypool to PS if he can stand  more humble 

Done with MVS , cant drop an easy pass against air in practice. Much less two 🥴

Trying to get on the team.

 

MVS has made a career at dropping passes.

[DeepPass]

6 hours ago, stevewin said:

Davidson was another depth guy that was doing well the practices I went to - my Dad kept saying "there's that TE again".  Not sure how he makes the 53 if they keep Gilliam, but figure a PS guy for sure

Davidson could make the team because he is also a place kicker!

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

genius move to get an autograph

and photo! 

[BuffAlone]

9 hours ago, Pokebball said:

Good to hear since the D is my concern.

My baby Mama told me the same thing after I broke my leg🤔

[HurlyBurly51]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Can't wait to see him in pre-season

10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Seems like the defense has figured out our offense.

 

10 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Pretty self-explanatory.

[HurlyBurly51]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

What could Babich possibly be yelling at Allen?

 

 

Get back to the huddle?

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

MVS has made a career at dropping passes.

and then make the ones in big moments !!!

[Richard Noggin]

10 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Wax on... wax... on.... 

 

This is a better joke than many will realize or acknowledge

[stevewin]

McGovern had some interesting things to say 

 

- Morse snapped a little to the left which Josh was used to so they've been slowing working on moving it over to the center

- Last year the OL would know what they were doing - but they didn't communicate to the WRs or TEs - which they are doing this year

- This year Brady has done a great job making sure they are all on the same page - have RBs in with the OL meetings to go over hole to hit, calls and blocking schemes - everyone's on a better page this year

- Bills D is so aggressive, playing another team will be good for rookies bc they will be able to face a 'different' (ie. less aggressive) D and will be easier to excel

- Sometime for calls he tells Josh no, "so I don't know, if in his first couple years, if anyone really told him no or other stuff"  - "and he's in our meetings more, just hearing our calls, just knowing we're all on the same page"  "And I think he's taking that next leadership, talking not just to the O line, but making sure everyone's on the same page - if I change the call he's telling the WRs they got new routes or whatnot - so I think he's taking that next step"

 

Brady has really emphasized communication and everyone knowing what the other guys are doing

 

Also thought Epenesa came off as very thoughtful and impressive to me his PC - not sure I've ever seen him talk that long

[Richard Noggin]

3 hours ago, DeepPass said:

Davidson could make the team because he is also a place kicker!

 

Really wish I could confidently interpret the tone of this one. 

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

genius move to get an autograph

and photo! 

 

Love how Josh holds the dog and it just relaxes and goes with it.  

14 minutes ago, stevewin said:

McGovern had some interesting things to say 

 

- Morse snapped a little to the left which Josh was used to so they've been slowing working on moving it over to the center

 

I don't like the sound of this.  In OTAs, McGovern was talking about how Josh liked the ball snapped and delivering it that way.

Now Josh is changing what he's used to for McGovern?

 

14 minutes ago, stevewin said:

- Sometime for calls he tells Josh no, "so I don't know, if in his first couple years, if anyone really told him no or other stuff"  - "and he's in our meetings more, just hearing our calls, just knowing we're all on the same page"  "And I think he's taking that next leadership, talking not just to the O line, but making sure everyone's on the same page - if I change the call he's telling the WRs they got new routes or whatnot - so I think he's taking that next step"

 

I'd like to better understand what this means.  I know the QB (sometimes the center) calls protections for the OL that are appropriate for the play that's been called and what the defense is showing them.

 

If McGovern tells Josh "No" does that mean he's rejecting the called play?

[Mister Defense]

14 hours ago, HappyDays said:

This one is closed to the public but the beat reporters are there.

 

 

 

 

What does Babich or Sal  mean in that last question?    I have no idea.

 

Why is there a laughing so hard I'm crying emoii at the end?   

 

Was what Babich said funny?  Why?

 

These are not rhetorical questions.

 

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

He gets open some of the time, but I think many times he's making catches with CBs on him or very close in coverage.   Receivers can be athletic without being elusive.  Coleman is undeniably athletic, but I don't think he's that elusive in coverage.

 

 

Indeed. But at the same time, KEON COLEMAN's not as bad at finding space as many on here want to pretend.

 

Matt Waldman (he's excellent, take a look at his work) did a thoughtful, insightful look at him pre-draft, a really deep dive, and he seems to have been proven right at camp.

 

https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2024/07/30/keon-coleman-matt-waldmans-rsp-pre-nfl-draft-scouting-report/

 

 

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"The Elevator Pitch: Coleman’s evaluation requires the reader to be open to more nuance and context than most of the top options on the board. It’s not about whether Coleman is good or not, but how good he can be based on his role and his surrounding talent in the passing game.

 

"If the design of the RSP’s evaluations were to determine how likely a player would earn his best-case team fit, Coleman would have a lower grade because to unlock his complete game, he’ll need a quarterback with excellent anticipation and confidence throwing into tight windows.

 

"Coleman’s contested-catch ability—arguably the best in this class—is only part of the reason why. Coleman is an effective route runner who has an effective press-release package, smart stem work, and sharp breaks. He earns separation on underneath routes when projecting to the standard of the pro game. However, this standard also includes anticipatory passers with pinpoint placement and there are teams that don’t have a starting quarterback with these qualities.

 

"Despite his lackluster 40-time at the NFL Combine, he had one of the fastest M.P.H. marks in the gauntlet drill among receivers. This is a better approximation of the play speed seen on tape. Coleman often earns 1-2 steps on cornerbacks within the first 12-15 yards of a route and he routinely stacks them to cut off their position for the remainder of the route.

 

"Because his breaks are sharp and flat, Coleman earns enough separation to develop into a high-volume intermediate target in the short and intermediate passing game if the quarterback is looking for him as the first option. If Coleman is consistently the second or third option on routes where quarterbacks can be 1-2 beats late to throw the ball and Coleman’s coverage is tight man-to-man, those windows of opportunity will not be as good.

 

"Coleman’s contest-catch ability and physicality will compensate somewhat in this scenario but only if the quarterback possesses the confidence and accuracy to fit it to Coleman. Most don’t and this is why Coleman’s ranking has a boom-bust quality when it comes to him achieving his NFL ceiling.

 

"Still, it’s an excellent ceiling. Coleman has a terrific catch radius and stone-cold confidence about winning the ball between defenders, regardless of how many there are, how big they are, and where they are relative to him and the ball.

 

"Coleman also runs well after the catch. Many NFL fans who don’t watch football won’t know that Coleman returned 25 punts for 300 yards at FSU for a respectable 12 yards per return and a long gain of 72 yards. What stands out the most about Coleman in this role is how efficiently he changes direction. He flips his hips like a veteran running back and can point the toe to open his hips in tight traffic, which helps him hug blocks, set up opponents into the block, and then bounce outside.

 

"He’s far more agile, technically sound, and versatile than he’s characterized, which is why I have been recently calling Coleman the LeGarrette Blount of this wide receiver class. Yes, newbies, Blount was a running back—I interviewed him at the Senior Bowl—but he was also considered a plodding athlete among those who possessed a less nuanced understanding of the different forms of speed. Blount was also a fine kick return specialist in New England in addition to his work as a lead runner.

 

"I would love to see Coleman as a Steeler. He’s a high-effort player with skill as a blocker and would match well with Russell Wilson, whose 2023 season in Denver might have gone significantly better if Tim Patrick were healthy. Coleman is a plus-plus iteration of Patrick."

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This part of the evaluation, the Elevator Pitch, makes up maybe 20% of this write-up. Waldman very intelligently goes into a ton of detail. He talks a lot about his ability and knack for stacking guys and how his breaks are clean and sharp.

 

And Josh Allen is a guy who possesses confidence and accuracy in getting the ball to his guys.

Edited August 6 by Thurman#1

[HurlyBurly51]

8 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

 

What does Babich or Sal  mean in that last question?    I have no idea.

 

Why is there a laughing so hard I'm crying emoii at the end?   

 

Was what Babich said funny?  Why?

 

These are not rhetorical questions.

 

Bobby Babich on the field has lots of, let’s say, energy!

[muppy]

8 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:

If training camp carries into preseason, it looks like: Shakir, Samuel, Coleman, Hollins, Shavers for Top 5 (no order).  Then WR6 between Hamler, Claypool, and MVS.  I see us keeping 6. Shorter, Isabella, etc other good options for P/S

 

My guess is MVS, unless Hamler stands out as the primary returner.  Claypool needs to get healthy first off, I could see him having a dominant preseason game and being difficult to cut as well.  Our WR 4-6 appear to be much better than LY, even if our WR 1-3 down a notch.  Much more diverse and deeper than LY, IMO.  Harty/Sherfield were basically busts and set a low bar.

 

Other general thoughts:

 

TB looks like he hit the weight room hard/another offseason did him well.

 

Sounds like a leg laceration for Isabella.  Shorter, Claypool, Isabella all seem iffy for Saturday.  Just a preseason game, but injuries really stacking up at a couple position groups

 

 

the bolded is what stuck out for me too. The man is sporting some serious guns . Impressive.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Indeed. But at the same time, KEON COLEMAN's not as bad at finding space as many on here want to pretend.

 

Matt Waldman (he's excellent, take a look at his work) did a thoughtful, insightful look at him pre-draft, a really deep dive, and he seems to have been proven right at camp.

 

https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2024/07/30/keon-coleman-matt-waldmans-rsp-pre-nfl-draft-scouting-report/

 

 

---------------------------

"The Elevator Pitch: Coleman’s evaluation requires the reader to be open to more nuance and context than most of the top options on the board. It’s not about whether Coleman is good or not, but how good he can be based on his role and his surrounding talent in the passing game.

 

"If the design of the RSP’s evaluations were to determine how likely a player would earn his best-case team fit, Coleman would have a lower grade because to unlock his complete game, he’ll need a quarterback with excellent anticipation and confidence throwing into tight windows.

 

"Coleman’s contested-catch ability—arguably the best in this class—is only part of the reason why. Coleman is an effective route runner who has an effective press-release package, smart stem work, and sharp breaks. He earns separation on underneath routes when projecting to the standard of the pro game. However, this standard also includes anticipatory passers with pinpoint placement and there are teams that don’t have a starting quarterback with these qualities.

 

"Despite his lackluster 40-time at the NFL Combine, he had one of the fastest M.P.H. marks in the gauntlet drill among receivers. This is a better approximation of the play speed seen on tape. Coleman often earns 1-2 steps on cornerbacks within the first 12-15 yards of a route and he routinely stacks them to cut off their position for the remainder of the route.

 

"Because his breaks are sharp and flat, Coleman earns enough separation to develop into a high-volume intermediate target in the short and intermediate passing game if the quarterback is looking for him as the first option. If Coleman is consistently the second or third option on routes where quarterbacks can be 1-2 beats late to throw the ball and Coleman’s coverage is tight man-to-man, those windows of opportunity will not be as good.

 

"Coleman’s contest-catch ability and physicality will compensate somewhat in this scenario but only if the quarterback possesses the confidence and accuracy to fit it to Coleman. Most don’t and this is why Coleman’s ranking has a boom-bust quality when it comes to him achieving his NFL ceiling.

 

"Still, it’s an excellent ceiling. Coleman has a terrific catch radius and stone-cold confidence about winning the ball between defenders, regardless of how many there are, how big they are, and where they are relative to him and the ball.

 

"Coleman also runs well after the catch. Many NFL fans who don’t watch football won’t know that Coleman returned 25 punts for 300 yards at FSU for a respectable 12 yards per return and a long gain of 72 yards. What stands out the most about Coleman in this role is how efficiently he changes direction. He flips his hips like a veteran running back and can point the toe to open his hips in tight traffic, which helps him hug blocks, set up opponents into the block, and then bounce outside.

 

"He’s far more agile, technically sound, and versatile than he’s characterized, which is why I have been recently calling Coleman the LeGarrette Blount of this wide receiver class. Yes, newbies, Blount was a running back—I interviewed him at the Senior Bowl—but he was also considered a plodding athlete among those who possessed a less nuanced understanding of the different forms of speed. Blount was also a fine kick return specialist in New England in addition to his work as a lead runner.

 

"I would love to see Coleman as a Steeler. He’s a high-effort player with skill as a blocker and would match well with Russell Wilson, whose 2023 season in Denver might have gone significantly better if Tim Patrick were healthy. Coleman is a plus-plus iteration of Patrick."

--------------------------

 

 

This part of the evaluation, the Elevator Pitch, makes up maybe 20% of this write-up. Waldman very intelligently goes into a ton of detail. He talks a lot about his ability and knack for stacking guys and how his breaks are clean and sharp.

 

And Josh Allen is a guy who possesses confidence and accuracy in getting the ball to his guys.

 

 

 

Waldman is also perhaps the biggest advocate of the idea that most of you have pushed back so hard against...........that the quality of your top 2 receiving targets greatly dictates whether you have a chance of reaching a SB or not.

 

Kinda' hilarious that you are promoting his work. 

 

I view Coleman's ceiling as higher(Davante Adams) than Waldman does but he also recognizes that this is a receiver who isn't likely to excel at getting separation and may need to be his team's 1st receiving option to excel because his windows may close too quickly to be a good option later.   And if he's a Mike Williams type........that might be selling Josh Allen short.   There is a large range of outcomes with Coleman and having seen it in person I don't see where practice has proven anything important yet.

[Pete]

9 hours ago, ganesh said:

and then make the one in big moments !

I fixed it