EC-Bills Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 ...but, if the money is not pulled out, where is the incentive to change the system for the better? 362201[/snapback] I agree you can talk until you are blue in the face and nothing will get done. You hit someone in the wallet and they start paying attention.
Ghost of BiB Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 The UN either decides to fit themselves into our National Security goals and objectives or becomes irrelevant. Right now, they are very close to being irrelevant. Essentially, from what I can see, the body as a whole is usually working cross purposes to us. Why should we support them? The UN is not concerned with where the US is going to be at 10 years from now, except to try to make sure that wherever it is, it isn't good for the US.
KRC Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 The UN either decides to fit themselves into our National Security goals and objectives or becomes irrelevant. Right now, they are very close to being irrelevant. Essentially, from what I can see, the body as a whole is usually working cross purposes to us. Why should we support them? The UN is not concerned with where the US is going to be at 10 years from now, except to try to make sure that wherever it is, it isn't good for the US. 362348[/snapback] I thought the U.S. was supposed to be subservient to the UN?
Ghost of BiB Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 I thought the U.S. was supposed to be subservient to the UN? 362352[/snapback] New sheriff in town.
Adam Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050617/ap_on_...us_un_reform_19 UN = RJ 361653[/snapback] I thought Clinton was supposed to be taking over the UN.....he'd have to do better than Annan.....Heck, I think I could!!
Reuben Gant Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 I thought the U.S. was supposed to be subservient to the UN? 362352[/snapback] I thought we created the UN to be weighted toward the US. After all, nothing really gets through the UN without our say so and the vote from the Security Council precludes independent UN action. I think many Americans fear the UN will turn into a one world government or something like that, which is non-sense in my opinion.
KRC Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 I thought we created the UN to be weighted toward the US. After all, nothing really gets through the UN without our say so and the vote from the Security Council precludes independent UN action. I think many Americans fear the UN will turn into a one world government or something like that, which is non-sense in my opinion. 362410[/snapback] It is weighted towards the U.S. in the fact that we pay more dues than any other member (22% I believe). Other than that, any member of the Security Council can defeat any action. Take North Korea for example. The UN will never impose sanctions on NK because China would veto it. Of course, the UN has proven to be too gutless to address the NK situation, but if by some miracle they grew a spine and addressed it, China would shoot it down. It is weighted towards consensus on the Security Council. As far as the World Government thingy, I have to disagree with your opinion. They have been trying to push through resolutions and force countries to abide by these resolutions. This ranges anywhere from nuclear proliferation to gun laws, etc. It is trying to set itself up as a world government. They just have a little trouble with the implimentation part. Countries basically do what they want.
Gavin in Va Beach Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 It is weighted towards the U.S. in the fact that we pay more dues than any other member (22% I believe). Other than that, any member of the Security Council can defeat any action. Take North Korea for example. The UN will never impose sanctions on NK because China would veto it. Of course, the UN has proven to be too gutless to address the NK situation, but if by some miracle they grew a spine and addressed it, China would shoot it down. It is weighted towards consensus on the Security Council. As far as the World Government thingy, I have to disagree with your opinion. They have been trying to push through resolutions and force countries to abide by these resolutions. This ranges anywhere from nuclear proliferation to gun laws, etc. It is trying to set itself up as a world government. They just have a little trouble with the implimentation part. Countries basically do what they want. 362427[/snapback] Don't forget their continued attempts at a 'global tax'. Now that the European Union has just about gone teets up, Socialist Euros who still long to stick it to the US may adopt the UN as their vehicle... Decision time for US-UN Relations At the recent G8 summit of Finance Ministers, France and Germany proposed a global tax on airline tickets. Hans Eichel, Germany's finance minister stated, "No one in the G8 [including the U.S.] has said anything against it. It's now on the agenda" [for the G8 heads of state who meet in Scotland in July]. In an effort to block the U.N. tax possibility, Congressman Ron Paul successfully added an amendment to an appropriation bill that prohibits any appropriation from being used to "...develop, publicize, implement or impose any U.N. tax or fee on any U.S. citizen." With the European Union’s constitution faltering, the U.N. is the only hope France, Germany and Russia have to constrain the United States. They will push to get this taxing authority for the U.N. If the U.N. ever gets an independent source of revenue, there will be no way to stop the institution from becoming the world government its supporters want.
Ghost of BiB Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 I thought we created the UN to be weighted toward the US. After all, nothing really gets through the UN without our say so and the vote from the Security Council precludes independent UN action. I think many Americans fear the UN will turn into a one world government or something like that, which is non-sense in my opinion. 362410[/snapback] Of course it's nonsense, but it's become an albatros. And, the security council doesn't do much for security, as long as veto power remains as it is.
Gavin in Va Beach Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 Of course it's nonsense, but it's become an albatros. And, the security council doesn't do much for security, as long as veto power remains as it is. 362443[/snapback] Libya is in charge of the Human Rights Commission. That's all anyone really needs to know right there...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 Don't forget their continued attempts at a 'global tax'. Now that the European Union has just about gone teets up, Socialist Euros who still long to stick it to the US may adopt the UN as their vehicle... Decision time for US-UN Relations 362437[/snapback] Where oh where do you find sites like that? Good read.
Gavin in Va Beach Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 Where oh where do you find sites like that? Good read. 362450[/snapback] If you liked that one, check this out (warning, it is Fox ). Seems there is more than one father-son scandal connection other than Kofi and Kojo going on at the UN... U.N. Family Ties
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 If you liked that one, check this out (warning, it is Fox ). Seems there is more than one father-son scandal connection other than Kofi and Kojo going on at the UN... U.N. Family Ties 362500[/snapback] And the shame of it all is we can't lock those crooks up in Gitmo. I despise the UN. They steal our tax dollars and do NOTHING but impede our national interests.
/dev/null Posted June 20, 2005 Author Posted June 20, 2005 I thought Clinton was supposed to be taking over the UN.....he'd have to do better than Annan.....Heck, I think I could!! 362406[/snapback] i think i should be Emperor, err i mean Supreme Chanceller, err i mean Secretary General of the UN only problem is i'd have to come up with 65 things to do before i could... Execute Order 66
EC-Bills Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 Here's a thought that just entered my head: "This UN needs an enema!"
Ghost of BiB Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 i think i should be Emperor, err i mean Supreme Chanceller, err i mean Secretary General of the UN only problem is i'd have to come up with 65 things to do before i could... Execute Order 66 362676[/snapback] You are WAY behind the power curve. You should have jumped on the IBP (Independant [anti] Bunny Party) when you had the chance. Too late, worthless minion.
/dev/null Posted June 20, 2005 Author Posted June 20, 2005 You are WAY behind the power curve. You should have jumped on the IBP (Independant [anti] Bunny Party) when you had the chance. Too late, worthless minion. 362708[/snapback] Do you really think your feeble Bunny Party is any match for the power of the Dark Side!
Ghost of BiB Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 Do you really think your feeble Bunny Party is any match for the power of the Dark Side! 362711[/snapback] Uh...right...like a bunny can handle a light sabre without any opposable thumbs. shoving it up your ass and waving it doesn't have much effect, overall. about the only option they have.
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