JP51 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Dont try to disrupt outsiders opinions with facts... LOL how dare you 😆🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 One could assume those things to be the case, I do though suspect that most teams have little interest in going through that type of process with any player, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 I knew we shoulda picked up that Browning guy in 2018 instead this Josh Allen poser.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 10 minutes ago, Big Turk said: 200 attempts does not tell you how many of those attempts went more than 10 yards. I don't know how to look that up, but we aren't talking about deep balls which are 20+ air yards. A significant number of any QB's throws is going to be 10+ yards. I looked at a few of his games and he had 7 to 12 attempts each game of 10+ yards down the field. He started 11 games last year, so we are looking at probably 80 to over 100 attempts. A sample size of 30 or higher is sufficient to draw conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MJS said: I don't know how to look that up, but we aren't talking about deep balls which are 20+ air yards. A significant number of any QB's throws is going to be 10+ yards. I looked at a few of his games and he had 7 to 12 attempts each game of 10+ yards down the field. He started 11 games last year, so we are looking at probably 80 to over 100 attempts. A sample size of 30 or higher is sufficient to draw conclusions. perhaps, but how many of those games were the Jets out of it by the end of the game and he was facing backups and/or soft coverages designed to keep the clock running and everything in front of them to speed up the game ending? I know the D kept them in it for some of them but probably that would be at least half of them... Edited July 30 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 8 minutes ago, Big Turk said: perhaps, but how many of those games were the Jets out of it by the end of the game and he was facing backups and/or soft coverages designed to keep the clock running and everything in front of them to speed up the game ending? I know the D kept them in it for some of them but probably that would be at least half of them... I think that is going to be almost none of his attempts. It's not like the Jets were getting blown out every week, and how often do you think teams play their backup defenses? At most, they take out one or two players unless it is an extreme blowout. Even then, it is only for a quarter, if that. And soft coverages will be preventing 10+ yard throws, not aiding them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 7 minutes ago, MJS said: I think that is going to be almost none of his attempts. It's not like the Jets were getting blown out every week, and how often do you think teams play their backup defenses? At most, they take out one or two players unless it is an extreme blowout. Even then, it is only for a quarter, if that. And soft coverages will be preventing 10+ yard throws, not aiding them. Nah, soft coverages are giving up 10 yard throws to prevent 20-30+ yard throws. especially between the 20s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Stats are funny. Allen and Mahomes sandwiched by Zack Wilson and Jake Browning. Zach is a better player than he gets credit for (watch how people react to this post). I wrote earlier in the offseason that i’d take Zach Wilson as Allen’s backup right now, and I stand by it. He has athleticism. He has arm talent. And he was surrounded by absolute trash in NJ. Does he have some issues? Sure does. But some of them can be fixed. And if we fix them, he becomes a perfect Allen backup with that athleticism and arm talent. Tell me this doesn’t remind me you of 2018 Josh Allen: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, MJS said: I think that is going to be almost none of his attempts. It's not like the Jets were getting blown out every week, and how often do you think teams play their backup defenses? At most, they take out one or two players unless it is an extreme blowout. Even then, it is only for a quarter, if that. And soft coverages will be preventing 10+ yard throws, not aiding them. Allen averages 2.9 throws of 20+ yards per game last season. Wilson averaged 2.5 throws of 20+ yards per game last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 7 minutes ago, Einstein said: Allen averages 2.9 throws of 20+ yards per game last season. Wilson averaged 2.5 throws of 20+ yards per game last season. The topic is 10+ yard throws, not 20+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 4 hours ago, Big Turk said: Allen ranked 4th last year directly behind Mahomes. Good chance if the ball isn't complete when Allen is throwing downfield, it's not on him. I spot a two-time NFL MVP on there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 4 hours ago, Big Turk said: Allen ranked 4th last year directly behind Mahomes. Good chance if the ball isn't complete when Allen is throwing downfield, it's not on him. Would be curious how this changes if the bar is moved to what the NFL considers a "long pass" (20+ yards from the LOS) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 4 hours ago, MJS said: The topic is 10+ yard throws, not 20+. Ahh. Allen averaged 10 per game. Zach averaged 8 per game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 3 hours ago, Augie said: I spot a two-time NFL MVP on there! If you are talking about LJ, probably one of the least deserving 2 time MVP's in NFL History. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 16 minutes ago, Einstein said: Ahh. Allen averaged 10 per game. Zach averaged 8 per game. What source do you use for this? I looked around a bit and had trouble finding it. Granted, I didn't spend a lot of time on it. 3 hours ago, Beck Water said: Would be curious how this changes if the bar is moved to what the NFL considers a "long pass" (20+ yards from the LOS) That's when you start getting into sample size issues since QB's only have 2 or 3 of these per game, generally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 8 hours ago, Big Turk said: Allen ranked 4th last year directly behind Mahomes. Good chance if the ball isn't complete when Allen is throwing downfield, it's not on him. Imagine what his numbers would be without all the drops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: same as Z Wilson right?? not if you take out his games against the Bills… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Wonder who has the most attempts over 10 yards, bet Josh is at the top. Mahomes probably dead last Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 7 hours ago, BananaB said: Wonder who has the most attempts over 10 yards, bet Josh is at the top. Mahomes probably dead last Tagolovailoa was #1 with 189 attempts with over 10 air yards in 2023. Allen and Mahomes were close to each other. Allen was #5 with 164 and Mahomes was tied for #9 with 159. Edited July 31 by Billy Claude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 hours ago, MJS said: I don't know how to look that up, but we aren't talking about deep balls which are 20+ air yards. A significant number of any QB's throws is going to be 10+ yards. I looked at a few of his games and he had 7 to 12 attempts each game of 10+ yards down the field. He started 11 games last year, so we are looking at probably 80 to over 100 attempts. A sample size of 30 or higher is sufficient to draw conclusions. 86 on the year, 23%. Josh had 164, 28% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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