Big Turk Posted July 30, 2024 Posted July 30, 2024 Allen ranked 4th last year directly behind Mahomes. Good chance if the ball isn't complete when Allen is throwing downfield, it's not on him. 3 1 Quote
Goin Breakdown Posted July 30, 2024 Posted July 30, 2024 But Josh is overrated and inaccurate. 1 Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted July 30, 2024 Posted July 30, 2024 If only he was as good as Jake Browning! 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 30, 2024 Posted July 30, 2024 Stats are funny. Allen and Mahomes sandwiched by Zack Wilson and Jake Browning. 1 1 Quote
Big Turk Posted July 30, 2024 Author Posted July 30, 2024 (edited) On 7/30/2024 at 1:02 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said: Stats are funny. Allen and Mahomes sandwiched by Zack Wilson and Jake Browning. Expand Probably a sample size issue...pretty sure Wilson didn't throw a whole lot of those...also Jets were out of a lot of games so defenses likely playing backups or playoff soft coverages for a lot of the game likely helped as well. Edited July 30, 2024 by Big Turk 2 Quote
JerseyBills Posted July 30, 2024 Posted July 30, 2024 On 7/30/2024 at 12:45 PM, Big Turk said: Allen ranked 4th last year directly behind Mahomes. Good chance if the ball isn't complete when Allen is throwing downfield, it's not on him. Expand And I guarantee Josh had WAY more attempts of 10+ 1 Quote
TheyCallMeAndy Posted July 30, 2024 Posted July 30, 2024 On 7/30/2024 at 1:02 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said: Stats are funny. Allen and Mahomes sandwiched by Zack Wilson and Jake Browning. Expand With Burrow being at the bottom, whose game is accuracy. Quote
BringBackFergy Posted July 30, 2024 Posted July 30, 2024 Have you seen the number of INT’s he throws? #wrongjosh Quote
GunnerBill Posted July 30, 2024 Posted July 30, 2024 Is it the percentage of throws downfield that are inaccurate? Or is it the percentage of throws downfield that are incomplete due to inaccuracy? I think the latter but it isn't totally clear. Quote
Big Turk Posted July 30, 2024 Author Posted July 30, 2024 On 7/30/2024 at 1:07 PM, GunnerBill said: Is it the percentage of throws downfield that are inaccurate? Or is it the percentage of throws downfield that are incomplete due to inaccuracy? I think the latter but it isn't totally clear. Expand It's the percentage of incompletions over 10 yards due to inaccurate passes. Quote
PBF81 Posted July 30, 2024 Posted July 30, 2024 I'd love to see the data on the percentage of total attempts in the varying ranges. Bring accurate, which Allen is, and deliberately hitting the open guys are two different things. Quote
ddaryl Posted July 30, 2024 Posted July 30, 2024 On 7/30/2024 at 12:54 PM, Don Otreply said: Can’t teach accuracy…, 🤣 Expand I still don't think you can.. Allen is just an anomoly. 99 times out of 100 IMO a QB with a sub 60% college completion % doesn't become what Allen has become. The fact he had to write all those letters and only got 1 school to give a chance might of played into that narrative a bit as he probably didn't get the best preperation from Wyoming for becoming a pro QB. Quote
Big Turk Posted July 30, 2024 Author Posted July 30, 2024 (edited) On 7/30/2024 at 1:20 PM, ddaryl said: I still don't think you can.. Allen is just an anomoly. 99 times out of 100 IMO a QB with a sub 60% college completion % doesn't become what Allen has become. The fact he had to write all those letters and only got 1 school to give a chance might of played into that narrative a bit as he probably didn't get the best preperation from Wyoming for becoming a pro QB. Expand He wasn't inaccurate, he was inconsistent due to mechanics not being refined/taught properly. Huge difference between the two that people don't make a distinction between usually. Luckily Beane and the scouts DID make that distinction. Edited July 30, 2024 by Big Turk Quote
ddaryl Posted July 30, 2024 Posted July 30, 2024 (edited) On 7/30/2024 at 1:25 PM, Big Turk said: He wasn't inaccurate, he was inconsistent due to mechanics not being refined/taught properly. Huge difference between the two that people don't make a distinction between usually. Luckily Beane and the scouts DID make that distinction. Expand That may be the case here, but I stand by statement. QBs with a sub 60% completion % 99 times out of 100 ... heck 999 times out of 1000 don't become what Allen becomes. You can see that lots of talking heads also did not see it either. yes I am thrilled that Beane and Company recognized this and stuck to there guns about Allen... in hindsight. Allen has greatly surpassed all my expectations to the point where I see him as a 1st ballot HoF candidate Edited July 30, 2024 by ddaryl Quote
Mr. WEO Posted July 30, 2024 Posted July 30, 2024 On 7/30/2024 at 12:45 PM, Big Turk said: Allen ranked 4th last year directly behind Mahomes. Good chance if the ball isn't complete when Allen is throwing downfield, it's not on him. Expand same as Z Wilson right?? Quote
Big Turk Posted July 30, 2024 Author Posted July 30, 2024 On 7/30/2024 at 1:35 PM, Mr. WEO said: same as Z Wilson right?? Expand Sample size is a thing. Quote
Don Otreply Posted July 30, 2024 Posted July 30, 2024 On 7/30/2024 at 1:20 PM, ddaryl said: I still don't think you can.. Allen is just an anomoly. 99 times out of 100 IMO a QB with a sub 60% college completion % doesn't become what Allen has become. The fact he had to write all those letters and only got 1 school to give a chance might of played into that narrative a bit as he probably didn't get the best preperation from Wyoming for becoming a pro QB. Expand I was mostly being sarcastic…, although I suspect body mechanics has a fair bit to do with accuracy, that and most teams are likely not very good at developing /fine tuning potential, jmo. 1 Quote
MJS Posted July 30, 2024 Posted July 30, 2024 On 7/30/2024 at 1:02 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said: Stats are funny. Allen and Mahomes sandwiched by Zack Wilson and Jake Browning. Expand Well, with Zach Wilson it isn't an arm talent issue. He has a great arm. He is also accurate. The issue is between his ears. On 7/30/2024 at 1:36 PM, Big Turk said: Sample size is a thing. Expand They all had to meet the minimum of 200 attempts to be on that list, and that is a sufficient sample size for any metric, really. Quote
Big Turk Posted July 30, 2024 Author Posted July 30, 2024 On 7/30/2024 at 2:43 PM, Don Otreply said: I was mostly being sarcastic…, although I suspect body mechanics has a fair bit to do with accuracy, that and most teams are likely not very good at developing /fine tuning potential, jmo. Expand How many QBs are going to honestly be open to changing literally everything from the ground up over 2 offseasons with a QB coach and using 3D motion capture to perfect it and then do endless repetitions to burn it into muscle memory until it becomes second nature? From a work ethic standpoint and an openness to change standpoint its going to be probably under 1% of all players because for the most part they have always been the best player on any team and they know everything and nobody can tell them nothing. For Allen, he never was that...all he was ever told was that he wasn't good enough. On 7/30/2024 at 2:53 PM, MJS said: Well, with Zach Wilson it isn't an arm talent issue. He has a great arm. He is also accurate. The issue is between his ears. They all had to meet the minimum of 200 attempts to be on that list, and that is a sufficient sample size for any metric, really. Expand 200 attempts does not tell you how many of those attempts went more than 10 yards. Quote
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