Big Turk Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Allen ranked 4th last year directly behind Mahomes. Good chance if the ball isn't complete when Allen is throwing downfield, it's not on him. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 But Josh is overrated and inaccurate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Can’t teach accuracy…, 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 If only he was as good as Jake Browning! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Stats are funny. Allen and Mahomes sandwiched by Zack Wilson and Jake Browning. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Stats are funny. Allen and Mahomes sandwiched by Zack Wilson and Jake Browning. Probably a sample size issue...pretty sure Wilson didn't throw a whole lot of those...also Jets were out of a lot of games so defenses likely playing backups or playoff soft coverages for a lot of the game likely helped as well. Edited July 30 by Big Turk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 18 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Allen ranked 4th last year directly behind Mahomes. Good chance if the ball isn't complete when Allen is throwing downfield, it's not on him. And I guarantee Josh had WAY more attempts of 10+ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Stats are funny. Allen and Mahomes sandwiched by Zack Wilson and Jake Browning. With Burrow being at the bottom, whose game is accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Have you seen the number of INT’s he throws? #wrongjosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Is it the percentage of throws downfield that are inaccurate? Or is it the percentage of throws downfield that are incomplete due to inaccuracy? I think the latter but it isn't totally clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 Just now, GunnerBill said: Is it the percentage of throws downfield that are inaccurate? Or is it the percentage of throws downfield that are incomplete due to inaccuracy? I think the latter but it isn't totally clear. It's the percentage of incompletions over 10 yards due to inaccurate passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 I'd love to see the data on the percentage of total attempts in the varying ranges. Bring accurate, which Allen is, and deliberately hitting the open guys are two different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 20 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Can’t teach accuracy…, 🤣 I still don't think you can.. Allen is just an anomoly. 99 times out of 100 IMO a QB with a sub 60% college completion % doesn't become what Allen has become. The fact he had to write all those letters and only got 1 school to give a chance might of played into that narrative a bit as he probably didn't get the best preperation from Wyoming for becoming a pro QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ddaryl said: I still don't think you can.. Allen is just an anomoly. 99 times out of 100 IMO a QB with a sub 60% college completion % doesn't become what Allen has become. The fact he had to write all those letters and only got 1 school to give a chance might of played into that narrative a bit as he probably didn't get the best preperation from Wyoming for becoming a pro QB. He wasn't inaccurate, he was inconsistent due to mechanics not being refined/taught properly. Huge difference between the two that people don't make a distinction between usually. Luckily Beane and the scouts DID make that distinction. Edited July 30 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Big Turk said: He wasn't inaccurate, he was inconsistent due to mechanics not being refined/taught properly. Huge difference between the two that people don't make a distinction between usually. Luckily Beane and the scouts DID make that distinction. That may be the case here, but I stand by statement. QBs with a sub 60% completion % 99 times out of 100 ... heck 999 times out of 1000 don't become what Allen becomes. You can see that lots of talking heads also did not see it either. yes I am thrilled that Beane and Company recognized this and stuck to there guns about Allen... in hindsight. Allen has greatly surpassed all my expectations to the point where I see him as a 1st ballot HoF candidate Edited July 30 by ddaryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 49 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Allen ranked 4th last year directly behind Mahomes. Good chance if the ball isn't complete when Allen is throwing downfield, it's not on him. same as Z Wilson right?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: same as Z Wilson right?? Sample size is a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, ddaryl said: I still don't think you can.. Allen is just an anomoly. 99 times out of 100 IMO a QB with a sub 60% college completion % doesn't become what Allen has become. The fact he had to write all those letters and only got 1 school to give a chance might of played into that narrative a bit as he probably didn't get the best preperation from Wyoming for becoming a pro QB. I was mostly being sarcastic…, although I suspect body mechanics has a fair bit to do with accuracy, that and most teams are likely not very good at developing /fine tuning potential, jmo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Stats are funny. Allen and Mahomes sandwiched by Zack Wilson and Jake Browning. Well, with Zach Wilson it isn't an arm talent issue. He has a great arm. He is also accurate. The issue is between his ears. 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Sample size is a thing. They all had to meet the minimum of 200 attempts to be on that list, and that is a sufficient sample size for any metric, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 10 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: I was mostly being sarcastic…, although I suspect body mechanics has a fair bit to do with accuracy, that and most teams are likely not very good at developing /fine tuning potential, jmo. How many QBs are going to honestly be open to changing literally everything from the ground up over 2 offseasons with a QB coach and using 3D motion capture to perfect it and then do endless repetitions to burn it into muscle memory until it becomes second nature? From a work ethic standpoint and an openness to change standpoint its going to be probably under 1% of all players because for the most part they have always been the best player on any team and they know everything and nobody can tell them nothing. For Allen, he never was that...all he was ever told was that he wasn't good enough. 3 minutes ago, MJS said: Well, with Zach Wilson it isn't an arm talent issue. He has a great arm. He is also accurate. The issue is between his ears. They all had to meet the minimum of 200 attempts to be on that list, and that is a sufficient sample size for any metric, really. 200 attempts does not tell you how many of those attempts went more than 10 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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