Scraps Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 6 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: https://www.fairus.org/legislation/executive/venezuelans-now-rank-second-illegal-immigration-us#:~:text=The major driver of Venezuelan,program%2C announced in late 2022. Hmmmmmm Where in there did it say they were being sent? Hmmm indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, Scraps said: Where in there did it say they were being sent? Hmmm indeed. From Venezuela? They have to be citizens of said country. Try again. 3 minutes ago, Scraps said: Where in there did it say they were being sent? Hmmm indeed. https://www.npr.org/2023/10/31/1207963084/venezuela-migrants-to-us They are definitely here lol. Nice try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraps Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 3 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: From Venezuela? They have to be citizens of said country. Try again. https://www.npr.org/2023/10/31/1207963084/venezuela-migrants-to-us They are definitely here lol. Nice try. Where did it say they were being "sent"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 27 minutes ago, sherpa said: This stuff gets repeated here day after day. If the "border deal" was truly bipartisan, it would have been approved. The Legislative Branch of our gov defeated the border deal, which also included 118 billion in foreign aid to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan. To state that it was a clean bill, or went far enough to truly secure our border is ridiculous. 275,000 crossed in Dec. The "border bill" proposed asylum for scores of people without vetting. I often wonder if anyone actually reads this stuff, or simply do not care about what is posted in this forum. How was it not "bi-partisan" I don't understand what you are saying? You literally admit that the bill only allows "scores" of people in, down from, as you quote, 275,000 in one month. You are saying that isn't good enough? Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 8 minutes ago, Scraps said: Where did it say they were being "sent"? Are you trying to say people from Venezuela haven't been crossing the border from Mexico to the United States? Is that what you're trying to prove? Because that is absolutely not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraps Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 30 minutes ago, sherpa said: This stuff gets repeated here day after day. If the "border deal" was truly bipartisan, it would have been approved. The Legislative Branch of our gov defeated the border deal, which also included 118 billion in foreign aid to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan. To state that it was a clean bill, or went far enough to truly secure our border is ridiculous. 275,000 crossed in Dec. The "border bill" proposed asylum for scores of people without vetting. I often wonder if anyone actually reads this stuff, or simply do not care about what is posted in this forum. The only reason the bill died is because Orange Jesus wanted the border as an issue. If he really wanted to address the issue, he would have asked people to solve the bill, to reduce the illegal immigration for 9 months or so, then introduced a stronger bill when he became President. Where did the bill propose asylum for scores of people without vetting? It actually increased the number of immigration judges and reduced the length of time they were here from a couple of years to 90 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: How was it not "bi-partisan" I don't understand what you are saying? You literally admit that the bill only allows "scores" of people in, down from, as you quote, 275,000 in one month. You are saying that isn't good enough? Huh? Another problem was a lack of confidence that the administration would actually enforce the limit rather than fudge the numbers on actual crossings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraps Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Are you trying to say people from Venezuela haven't been crossing the border from Mexico to the United States? Is that what you're trying to prove? Because that is absolutely not true. I'm saying the Orange Jesus tells his cult members the other countries are actually SENDING people from prisons and mental institutions to the US but there is no proof of any organized effort to do so. None of your links prove people were "sent". It shows they came here because it sucks there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, Scraps said: The only reason the bill died is because Orange Jesus wanted the border as an issue. If he really wanted to address the issue, he would have asked people to solve the bill, to reduce the illegal immigration for 9 months or so, then introduced a stronger bill when he became President. Where did the bill propose asylum for scores of people without vetting? It actually increased the number of immigration judges and reduced the length of time they were here from a couple of years to 90 days. The reason it died was because it contained a number of disassociated earmarks, and it was not viewed as strong enough to achieve Legislative approval. If you want to know how it approved non vetted asylum, you'd have to read it, which I'm sure you haven't, and I'm not going to do your homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraps Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 (edited) 13 minutes ago, sherpa said: The reason it died was because it contained a number of disassociated earmarks, and it was not viewed as strong enough to achieve Legislative approval. If you want to know how it approved non vetted asylum, you'd have to read it, which I'm sure you haven't, and I'm not going to do your homework. Said associated earmarks passed anyway, didn't they? From what I've read, asylum would have been more difficult to obtain. If you know otherwise, please point out where. I doubt you've read the bill. Edited July 29 by Scraps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, Scraps said: Said associated earmarks passed anyway, didn't they? It failed because all it would do is provide the administration cover so they can say they did something while they ignore the provisions of the border bill and don't enforce any limits. They've been ignoring the law and US security needs from day 1 of Biden's Presidency so why start now? They weren't fooling anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraps Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: It failed because all it would do is provide the administration cover so they can say they did something while they ignore the provisions of the border bill and don't enforce any limits. They've been ignoring the law and US security needs from day 1 of Biden's Presidency so why start now? They weren't fooling anybody. This doesn't make sense. If they ignored the provisions in the bill, they would look even worse to the voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 13 minutes ago, Scraps said: I'm saying the Orange Jesus tells his cult members the other countries are actually SENDING people from prisons and mental institutions to the US but there is no proof of any organized effort to do so. None of your links prove people were "sent". It shows they came here because it sucks there. LOL It died because dem senators broke ranks and didn't support the bill. With a majority in the senate, dems could have passed it. Just like HB2, the repubs passed it and sent it to the senate. HB2 is still sitting on Schumer's desk for introduction (for a year I might add). The senate bill didn't even make it to the house because of dem senators joining the repubs in not supporting the bill. blaming trump is your lazy response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 minutes ago, Scraps said: This doesn't make sense. If they ignored the provisions in the bill, they would look even worse to the voters. They'll just fake the crossing numbers like they do the monthly jobs reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 4 minutes ago, Scraps said: I'm saying the Orange Jesus tells his cult members the other countries are actually SENDING people from prisons and mental institutions to the US but there is no proof of any organized effort to do so. None of your links prove people were "sent". It shows they came here because it sucks there. Are all the people from Venezuela vetted? So could some people with criminal records make it here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraps Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Just now, All_Pro_Bills said: They'll just fake the crossing numbers like they do the monthly jobs reports. Ah, another conspiracy. Got it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Just now, Scraps said: Ah, another conspiracy. Got it. Why do they always revise the job reports to less than was actually originally reported? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraps Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Are all the people from Venezuela vetted? So could some people with criminal records make it here? I don't know. I would hope not but I'm not an immigration expert. I was taking issue with stupid things Trump says to fear monger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr-Bills Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 hour ago, sherpa said: This stuff gets repeated here day after day. If the "border deal" was truly bipartisan, it would have been approved. The Legislative Branch of our gov defeated the border deal, which also included 118 billion in foreign aid to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan. To state that it was a clean bill, or went far enough to truly secure our border is ridiculous. 275,000 crossed in Dec. The "border bill" proposed asylum for scores of people without vetting. I often wonder if anyone actually reads this stuff, or simply do not care about what is posted in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scraps Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Why do they always revise the job reports to less than was actually originally reported? Maybe you should google that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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