Cray51 Posted January 14 Posted January 14 1 minute ago, Mikey152 said: I take these with a grain of salt...these guys don't know the progression or the keys. They are guessing. Yea, I find it VERY hard to believe that only 6% of Burrow's passes went to the "designated receiver". If that's the case, the OC should be fired on the spot for not creating better play design to get the ball to the designated player. This is likely looking at where the QBs eyes went for the play, but I know lots of teams use misdirection to bait players out of their zone coverage bubbles. Detroit does this often. I call BS on the metric honestly. 3 Quote
Doc Brown Posted January 14 Posted January 14 On 7/26/2024 at 3:25 PM, Doc Brown said: Only for special occasions. Only for special occasions. 1 Quote
DJB Posted January 14 Posted January 14 23 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: So you bumped a 5 month old thread to pat yourself on the back(see bolded)? Awesome!😂 Wasn’t a pat on the back and I’m not starting a new thread. Read and move on if it’s not to your taste bro 1 Quote
SoTier Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) 44 minutes ago, DJB said: I still can’t believe that Tua got the bag from the Dolphins. This is damming evidence against him and what most of us thought anyways. Manufactured touches What your chart shows is that Tua plays in a very different offense than Josh Allen does. Tua primarily hits his designated receiver or his first read or he throws a check down. He doesn't scramble often. Those are the types of plays where's the biggest differences between Allen and Tua. I would characterize Tua's style as dependent upon timing and precision while Allen plays a much more ad-lib style in which he's most dangerous on broken plays. I doubt that Tua could play in an Allen-style offense because he's not robust enough, but I'm not sure that Allen would play nearly as well in a very scripted offense because it wouldn't take advantage of all his talents. The chart doesn't "prove" anything about which QBs are "better" or more successful. The acknowledged best QBs in the NFL are scattered all over this list: Burrow is #1, Allen is #8, Lamar is #14, and Mahomes is #19. Edited January 14 by SoTier 1 1 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted January 14 Posted January 14 25 minutes ago, HOUSE said: To pay 53 million for an old bag makes no sense at all Tua is still quite young actually Quote
Orlando Buffalo Posted January 14 Posted January 14 47 minutes ago, DJB said: I still can’t believe that Tua got the bag from the Dolphins. This is damming evidence against him and what most of us thought anyways. Manufactured touches I am not sure how to interpret this data, because Burrows seems to be the most heavily first look thrower in NFL but has a high progressions score. It would seem the two concepts would conflict with each other, along with Josh with his scrambles is not negating his progressive n number. Not sure what the number is supposed to mean. Quote
WotAGuy Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Would like to see Allen’s check down numbers from prior years. My impression is he’s significantly increased those this year, to great effect. 2 Quote
T master Posted January 14 Posted January 14 If Tua got that much for what he did this season just how much is Josh worth ? Quote
HOUSE Posted January 14 Posted January 14 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Tua is still quite young actually But the old bag is probably 85 years old. Oh forget it.... 1 Quote
Rocky Landing Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) 55 minutes ago, DJB said: I still can’t believe that Tua got the bag from the Dolphins. This is damming evidence against him and what most of us thought anyways. Manufactured touches IMO, this is indicative of how Mike McDaniel viewed Tua's (and their porous O-line's) weaknesses, and how he tried to cover them up. Quick, precision-timing routes. Get the ball out of Tua's hands as fast as possible. It was the basis of their passing offense, and why they needed fast receivers like Hill, Waddle, and Achane. It's also what the league figured out about them, and why they've been mediocre since '23-- bump them off their timing routes, and their offense collapses. Edited January 14 by Rocky Landing 1 2 Quote
Doc Posted January 14 Posted January 14 30 minutes ago, Cray51 said: Yea, I find it VERY hard to believe that only 6% of Burrow's passes went to the "designated receiver". If that's the case, the OC should be fired on the spot for not creating better play design to get the ball to the designated player. This is likely looking at where the QBs eyes went for the play, but I know lots of teams use misdirection to bait players out of their zone coverage bubbles. Detroit does this often. I call BS on the metric honestly. Yeah it's absurd, considering how great Chase is and that he had 175 targets. I'm sure that was largely by accident... Quote
LabattBlue Posted January 14 Posted January 14 2 hours ago, DJB said: Wasn’t a pat on the back and I’m not starting a new thread. Read and move on if it’s not to your taste bro Got it…bro. Quote
Don Otreply Posted January 14 Posted January 14 It still humors me that they paid that much money for a first read game manager QB, y’all know the saying, “ Never interrupt your opponent when they are doing something stupid “ 1 Quote
Chaos Posted January 14 Posted January 14 2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: IMO, this is indicative of how Mike McDaniel viewed Tua's (and their porous O-line's) weaknesses, and how he tried to cover them up. Quick, precision-timing routes. Get the ball out of Tua's hands as fast as possible. It was the basis of their passing offense, and why they needed fast receivers like Hill, Waddle, and Achane. It's also what the league figured out about them, and why they've been mediocre since '23-- bump them off their timing routes, and their offense collapses. 1 Quote
Real McClappy Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) Of course, when you have the quickest release in the NFL you are going to have the lowest progression rate. He doesn't scan the entire field to get the ball out in less than 3 seconds. This stat really tells me nothing. This is most likely the reason why Bryce has been sacked 90+ times in 2 seasons or Burrow and Herbert 40+ times this season. The others before Allen 30+ until be shatters that at 14 sacks on the year. Higher progression rate = higher sack rate Not sure this is a good QB metric honestly. I get Tua was hurt but dude was sacked 10 times on the year. Edited January 14 by Real McClappy Quote
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 15 Posted January 15 I mean I am not going to pretend that I'm not enjoying Miami's situation this offseason.(Double negative, deal with it) -Starting off $11 million over the cap. -Just missing the playoffs but winning enough games to miss out on a top 10 draft pick. -Hill is throwing a tantrum and would cost them $28 million in dead cap to cut, meaning they'd need someone to take on a recently signed contract. So they deal with him as a headache or deal him for pennies in the dollar -Tua might be one bad concussion away from never playing again Quote
BRH Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 7/28/2024 at 8:20 PM, oldmanfan said: The Dolphins have made a decision that paying a QB and WRs huge $$ is the answer. We’ll see but I think they fold in the playoffs again. Quote
hondo in seattle Posted January 15 Posted January 15 On 7/26/2024 at 4:43 PM, HOUSE said: 167 million guaranteed is the biggest mistake in NFL history Book it Bigger than Watson? Bigger than Ditka trading away his entire draft? Quote
hondo in seattle Posted January 15 Posted January 15 2 hours ago, Chaos said: Interesting, but not surprising, that Josh has the highest scramble rate in the league. Quote
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