Starr-Bills Posted August 19 Posted August 19 On 8/17/2024 at 7:23 AM, BillsFanNC said: Kroger giant merger would like a word about free markets… what a load of horse crap. arg is not a monopoly, one company makes the seed and fertilizer 3 companies make the machines and most mom and pop farms have been bought out or sell to the one of the three company’s who make grain based products. oh and the huge farm subsidies (you know corporate socialism) but sure go on about free markets. bonus, who hates socialism really means regulation like the stock traders in 29, the saving and loan guys in the 80’s and securitized mortgages in 2008, SV bank in 2023, crypto in 2024… please go on about the best and the brightest. Talk about welfare queens.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 19 Posted August 19 34 minutes ago, Starr-Bills said: Kroger giant merger would like a word about free markets… what a load of horse crap. arg is not a monopoly, one company makes the seed and fertilizer 3 companies make the machines and most mom and pop farms have been bought out or sell to the one of the three company’s who make grain based products. oh and the huge farm subsidies (you know corporate socialism) but sure go on about free markets. bonus, who hates socialism really means regulation like the stock traders in 29, the saving and loan guys in the 80’s and securitized mortgages in 2008, SV bank in 2023, crypto in 2024… please go on about the best and the brightest. Talk about welfare queens. Sure, we can talk about that. Though, shouldn’t we also discuss the political class that established rules/regulations that came up with the safeguards to prevent the incidents from 29, the 80s, 2008, SV bank in 23, and crypto? How did that go? Let’s remember, too that the big government crowd gives us an estimated $5 trillion in revenue and it’s not enough, not nearly ever enough. How is it going with Medicare? Social Security? The budget? Government needs private industry and private industry needs governance, but let’s not pretend these things happen in a vacuum. 1
Starr-Bills Posted August 19 Posted August 19 4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Sure, we can talk about that. Though, shouldn’t we also discuss the political class that established rules/regulations that came up with the safeguards to prevent the incidents from 29, the 80s, 2008, SV bank in 23, and crypto? How did that go? Let’s remember, too that the big government crowd gives us an estimated $5 trillion in revenue and it’s not enough, not nearly ever enough. How is it going with Medicare? Social Security? The budget? Government needs private industry and private industry needs governance, but let’s not pretend these things happen in a vacuum. 1. Sure seems lie it went great until the regulations were rolled back and then in just a couple year oppise the "smartest guys" in the room need another bail out... How is bailing out these huge corps and paying stock broker bonuses and not jail time or fines okay with you? yet you want to deregulate the industry so it can make profits without the meddling government. It's like a 5 year old I want to live free in this house and get and allowance for nothing, and eat all the candy I want. Let's not even get into the farm subsidies, 2. Government give $5T or govt revenue is $5T I'll go with the later. How big is the GDP? Government needs to have enough money to regulate. SS is paid for by the participants so as the population grows so too should the revenue collected. Groth in general should increase spending, both tax revenue increases on increased profits and OG goes up so revenues need to increase to keep up? Note money spent on COG = paying Americans and American companies for products and services. 3. I have no idea what this means? I cited examples of no/de regulation that lead to economic disaster that was paid for by the tax payer. Why is that okay with you? If anything being a low tax man you think you'd want some regulations on potential "bail outs" of bad acting corporations. but th right is full of hiporacy so who knows what you actually want. Additionally private business does need the government, who is going to fund all that R&D then give it away, who is going to ensure an educated workforce, roads that allow products to get to market or fiscal policy and political security to allow companies to operate freely. So the race of that paying their fair share in taxes, and obeying the rules we the people set for air, water, finance etc. don't like it, move to Saudi Arabia or Russia or China etc.
dickleyjones Posted August 19 Posted August 19 12 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: Read their goals from 1963 and WAKE UP. The list is a work of fiction as i already pointed out. It says so right in your post. And even if it were really written by actual american communists, you fail to acknowledge that this list is mostly a guide to power for any political entity. One that is followed by entities i think you support. One that has been followed by multiple entities throughout history. I won't bother showing you how, for example, "control education" is a pursuit followed by nearly every political entity in existence. Do i agree that dems will pull all sorts of ***** like the list? Of course! That's what political parties do. The r's are doing the exact same thing in their own way. You could check most of the boxes for them on that list. Does that make R's communists too? I can only imagine that you avoid roosevelt discussion because it does not fit your narrative at all. And because it's a jumping off point for further discussion of how many many (many!) so called anti communists do so called communist things. 1
dickleyjones Posted August 19 Posted August 19 10 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said: Trump is their OG communist, actually! Anyone else remember Executive Order #13948 back in the summer of 2020?? Oh, Commie Kay remembers… Right-wingers were praising this price control on prescription drugs because political tribalism often trumps (pun delightfully intended!) political principles. “Communist” is just a label now that has been rendered devoid of any meaning beyond “someone conservatives don’t like.” My very limited (and possibly erroneous) awareness of Kamala’s grocery price control proposal is that it would be a sunset provision reserved specifically for proven food price gouging. Temporary price controls do have a history of success when restricted to societal emergency situations. Permanent price controls, on occasion, can also work; you already mentioned such an example involving a price floor (minimum wages) and one involving a price ceiling (trust busting). But while price collusion is a type of market failure like any other, it can sometimes be difficult to prove conclusively. So one’s educated opinion of Kamala’s policy efficacy will depend on how obvious one thinks the evidence of collusion may be (based heavily on corporate profit margin histories), along with what one thinks are the causal factors of our present inflation: corporate price gouging (yes), lingering cost-push international supply chain issues (yes, somewhat, due to strife abroad and what not), cost-push energy supply shocks (LOL…an eyeroll for those who don’t understand how international energy free markets work yet dogmatically cling to them…), demand-pull stimulus effects (sure, though not in the way right-wingers think because CARES and ARP also prevented dangerous deflationary collapses), a lax monetary policy (certainly not ruling out artificially low interest rates and aggressi. "communist" being a label is what i suspect. Been that way a long time, here we go again. But i am not above discourse on the topic. It appears those that throw out that word ARE above discours. Ah well, i seek to understand, it eludes me for now no thanks to the posters who really can't have proper discourse for some reason. On price control, sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't. Imo it's kind of a do nothing promise as it does not solve anything. But it might make someone feel good so it's an ok strategy.
BillsFanNC Posted August 19 Author Posted August 19 (edited) 54 minutes ago, dickleyjones said: The list is a work of fiction as i already pointed out. It says so right in your post. And even if it were really written by actual american communists, you fail to acknowledge that this list is mostly a guide to power for any political entity. One that is followed by entities i think you support. One that has been followed by multiple entities throughout history. I won't bother showing you how, for example, "control education" is a pursuit followed by nearly every political entity in existence. Do i agree that dems will pull all sorts of ***** like the list? Of course! That's what political parties do. The r's are doing the exact same thing in their own way. You could check most of the boxes for them on that list. Does that make R's communists too? I can only imagine that you avoid roosevelt discussion because it does not fit your narrative at all. And because it's a jumping off point for further discussion of how many many (many!) so called anti communists do so called communist things. It's exactly what it says in the document header. From a book published in 1958 that was read into the congressional record. There's overwhelming evidence that Marxists pivoted to social / cultural issues decades ago to provoke the revolution because the economic class struggle approach would not work here as American workers simply had it too good. And as far as FDR is concerned? Alger Hiss. Edited August 19 by BillsFanNC
Roundybout Posted August 19 Posted August 19 33 minutes ago, Gregg said: She’s doing nothing different than what FDR proposed. Was he a communist?
The Frankish Reich Posted August 19 Posted August 19 https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-will-not-tolerate-price-gouging-hoarding-critical-supplies-needed-combat-coronavirus/ Every politician decries "price gouging." They never really define it or do anything about it, which is a good thing in my book because it really is not a thing for serious economists. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted August 19 Posted August 19 1 hour ago, Starr-Bills said: 1. Sure seems lie it went great until the regulations were rolled back and then in just a couple year oppise the "smartest guys" in the room need another bail out... How is bailing out these huge corps and paying stock broker bonuses and not jail time or fines okay with you? yet you want to deregulate the industry so it can make profits without the meddling government. It's like a 5 year old I want to live free in this house and get and allowance for nothing, and eat all the candy I want. Let's not even get into the farm subsidies, No, Starr, I don't want any of that. Sensible regulation and sensible consumer protections are good for everyone. You're preaching to the choir on all that, but it doesn't strike you as odd at all that these things continue to happen given the size and scope of our federal and state government? Here's what happens imo: Rules implemented Rules ignored Big dogs skip the penalty phase Regulators who missed it continue to regulate Someone screams "bailing out huge corps and stock broker bonuses!" and the regulators who didn't do a great job regulating implement sweeping changes that impact honest players (and there are many) and consumers adversely 5, 6, 8, 10 years down the road the same thing happens Btw, government chooses winners/losers all the time, year in year out in ways a private corporation could only hope to do. I'll point out here that I suggested balance was the key, and you immediately responded with some silliness about 5 year olds living rent free. I started saving for my future in 1984...slow, steady, consistent...paid my rent every time it was due, paid my mortgages when the time was right, paid my bills upon receipt, and solved the problems I occasionally created by figuring out a solution. I have been lucky, worked hard, paid attention, learned, grown, and completely accept the fact that balance between private industry and regulation is absolutely necessary. Kudos to you though on your Che Guevera rant for not using the term "FAT CATS!". 1 hour ago, Starr-Bills said: 2. Government give $5T or govt revenue is $5T I'll go with the later. How big is the GDP? Government needs to have enough money to regulate. SS is paid for by the participants so as the population grows so too should the revenue collected. Groth in general should increase spending, both tax revenue increases on increased profits and OG goes up so revenues need to increase to keep up? Note money spent on COG = paying Americans and American companies for products and services. Sure, but along the way, decisions are made and people benefit in ways the private sector would kill for. My life got a lot simpler when I started thinking of government in same terms as that of corporate America. There are winners and losers there, too. Social Security is a fiscal mess. Medicare is a fiscal mess. These facts are not in dispute. 1 hour ago, Starr-Bills said: 3. I have no idea what this means? I cited examples of no/de regulation that lead to economic disaster that was paid for by the tax payer. Why is that okay with you? If anything being a low tax man you think you'd want some regulations on potential "bail outs" of bad acting corporations. but th right is full of hiporacy so who knows what you actually want. Additionally private business does need the government, who is going to fund all that R&D then give it away, who is going to ensure an educated workforce, roads that allow products to get to market or fiscal policy and political security to allow companies to operate freely. So the race of that paying their fair share in taxes, and obeying the rules we the people set for air, water, finance etc. don't like it, move to Saudi Arabia or Russia or China etc. Goodness. I can only imagine the gaskets blown if you had an idea of whatever it is you are referring to meant. On the other hand, it does seem you kind of understood what I meant because you said this "....private business does need the government..."---of course it does! Let's agree on that. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted August 19 Posted August 19 2 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Erstwhile Masseur Lindsay reaches Peak Stupidity. 1
BillsFanNC Posted August 19 Author Posted August 19 ⬆️ The guy who claims that Biden is mentally fit has something to say. Everyone not a useful idiot: 1
Roundybout Posted August 21 Posted August 21 34 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Damn, didn’t know she was doing it all herself! What a mastermind!
L Ron Burgundy Posted August 21 Posted August 21 12 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Damn, didn’t know she was doing it all herself! What a mastermind! He shares garbage like this because he knows the old folks have trouble discerning reality from fiction. Pure garbage. Just wait, it will get worse as it becomes more clear Trump will lose.
Roundybout Posted August 21 Posted August 21 40 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: He shares garbage like this because he knows the old folks have trouble discerning reality from fiction. Pure garbage. Just wait, it will get worse as it becomes more clear Trump will lose. I cannot wait for the James Lindsay meltdown. There's a decent chance he goes out via suicide by cop.
Doc Posted August 21 Posted August 21 2 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: If we had a real mainstream media, we'd be hearing about this constantly like "kids in cages" or the UC who were lost under Trump.
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