Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 1 Posted August 1 (edited) Who is to blame for the Bills never being a 1 seed? This is not as simple as our playoff losses. Edited August 1 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote
H2o Posted August 1 Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Who is to blame for the Bills never being a 1 seed? This is not as simple as our playoff losses. What? Is that really your argument for Josh being put at #12? Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 1 Posted August 1 Just now, H2o said: What? Is that really your argument for Josh being put at #12? Allen needs to take his team higher. It’s just a fact. 1 Quote
Simon Posted August 1 Posted August 1 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Allen needs to take his team higher. It’s just a fact. 2 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted August 1 Posted August 1 I'll say it...who cares? We know who and what we have in Josh. I don't care if he ever makes #1 on some damn list, wins VMP etc. Superbowls, that's it. And if you ask Josh I bet he feels the same. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 1 Posted August 1 20 minutes ago, Simon said: How do you separate the top 2-4 QBs in the league? Quote
Einstein Posted August 1 Posted August 1 47 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Allen needs to take his team higher. It’s just a fact. Which foot would you like Josh to kick the field goal with at the end of the playoff game last year? What defensive position should he have stepped in for in 13 seconds? 3 1 Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 1 Posted August 1 We can blame McDermott for his defense and Beane for his personnel decisions, but Allen won’t be considered a top 5 player in league circles until the Bills do more than what they’ve done. He’s been ranked about the same every season. 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: Which foot would you like Josh to kick the field goal with at the end of the playoff game last year? What defensive position should he have stepped in for in 13 seconds? 2/5 playoffs Allen is blameless. Mahomes outplayed Allen in both games you mentioned. I also would like Allen to run the clock vs KC last year at the end. 1 1 1 Quote
DapperCam Posted August 1 Posted August 1 27 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: We can blame McDermott for his defense and Beane for his personnel decisions, but Allen won’t be considered a top 5 player in league circles until the Bills do more than what they’ve done. He’s been ranked about the same every season. 2/5 playoffs Allen is blameless. Mahomes outplayed Allen in both games you mentioned. I also would like Allen to run the clock vs KC last year at the end. Allen had to face one of the hardest defenses in the league last season (especially pass defense). Mahomes had to play against a defense with literal dudes off the street. It isn’t even a comparison. And still Allen basically matched him score for score and it came down to a missed FG. If Allen got to play the Bills defense last playoffs he probably would have had a perfect game (Mahomes basically did because the defense was just that bad). 1 Quote
JerseyBills Posted August 1 Posted August 1 23 minutes ago, Einstein said: Which foot would you like Josh to kick the field goal with at the end of the playoff game last year? What defensive position should he have stepped in for in 13 seconds? He's statistically damn near dominated, definitely outplayed Mahomes in playoffs. Diggs dropping 1 of the best passes I've ever seen, Sherfield dropping a huge pass, 2 missed FGs.. obviously 13 secs. Allen has just had bad luck and it'd be surprising to see that trend continue, Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 1 Posted August 1 6 minutes ago, DapperCam said: Allen had to face one of the hardest defenses in the league last season (especially pass defense). Mahomes had to play against a defense with literal dudes off the street. It isn’t even a comparison. And still Allen basically matched him score for score and it came down to a missed FG. If Allen got to play the Bills defense last playoffs he probably would have had a perfect game (Mahomes basically did because the defense was just that bad). Allen is a great player and we can make a case that he’s better than Mahomes. It just doesn’t mean anything until he accomplishes the things Mahomes has. Allen should be on this list but he isn’t. Active QBs with a 1 seed, conference championship win, or MVP. Mahomes Jackson Prescott Burrow Hurts Purdy Goff Rodgers Garapolo Tannehill Flacco 1 Quote
DapperCam Posted August 1 Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Allen is a great player and we can make a case that he’s better than Mahomes. It just doesn’t mean anything until he accomplishes the things Mahomes has. Allen should be on this list but he isn’t. Active QBs with a 1 seed, conference championship win, or MVP. Mahomes Jackson Prescott Burrow Hurts Purdy Goff Rodgers Garapolo Tannehill Flacco I’m not even making a claim about who is better. I’m just disputing the fact that Mahomes outplayed Allen in their playoff match last season. QBs don’t play against each other, they play against the other team’s defense. The defense Allen played was dominant and the defense Mahomes played was a bad joke. You can’t even compare their performances because their circumstances were apples and oranges. Quote
78thealltimegreat Posted August 1 Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Allen is a great player and we can make a case that he’s better than Mahomes. It just doesn’t mean anything until he accomplishes the things Mahomes has. Allen should be on this list but he isn’t. Active QBs with a 1 seed, conference championship win, or MVP. Mahomes Jackson Prescott Burrow Hurts Purdy Goff Rodgers Garapolo Tannehill Flacco Glad you think Jimmy G, Ryan Tannehill, Brock Purdy, Dak Prescott, Jarrod Goff, Jalen Hurts, and Joe Flacco are better then Allen. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 1 Posted August 1 14 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Glad you think Jimmy G, Ryan Tannehill, Brock Purdy, Dak Prescott, Jarrod Goff, Jalen Hurts, and Joe Flacco are better then Allen. Thats one way to look at it. Quote
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 1 Posted August 1 5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: How do you separate the top 2-4 QBs in the league? easy. 1-2 mahomes allen 3-4 Burrow Stroud 1-2 is consistent year to year while 3-4 seems to change names every year. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 1 Posted August 1 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: easy. 1-2 mahomes allen 3-4 Burrow Stroud 1-2 is consistent year to year while 3-4 seems to change names every year. I think most Bills fans would rank the top 2 the same. Here’s my question, what criteria do you use to rank the next 2-3 QBs? Edited August 1 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote
GoBills808 Posted August 1 Posted August 1 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Allen is a great player and we can make a case that he’s better than Mahomes. It just doesn’t mean anything until he accomplishes the things Mahomes has. no It means there are reasons beyond QB as to why teams do or don't accomplish things Quote
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