4th&long Posted July 17 Posted July 17 13 hours ago, rusty shackleford said: Which makes it such a bizarre comment from the SS director. An excuse that has immediate skeptical integrity just from looking at pictures and video of the scene only raises eyebrows and doesn’t give any real reassurance. No doubt about it. Right now I would trust a gang from the hood to protect me more than the SS right now. If they can survive the hood they got skills.
The Frankish Reich Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Just now, OrangeBills said: Then why did they wipe his social media presence? 2nd derivative thinking here!?! Did they wipe it? Maybe he didn't have any traditional social media (Facebook, Insta, X) at all. Not uncommon with boys at all. It may be all Discord and video game communications. As a parent of teens, I've been amazed by how "out" Facebook in particular is. They think it's for their parents and avoid it entirely. 1 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 17 Posted July 17 2 hours ago, Irv said: It's nice to see almost unilateral agreement on PPP on the ineptitude of the SS leadership. Let's be honest here. Wouldn't it be a political win for Biden if he just sh*t canned Cheatle? Who's advising Biden? This just makes him look even worse - if that's possible. What a mess. Agreed. I'm all for waiting for all the details to be revealed, but it's very hard to wrap one's head around the notion that those protecting were in a building the shooter climbed on for the shot. "Hey Smitty, did you hear that? Sounds like someone crawling up on the roof." "That's crazy talk! Probably just really big squirrels." 1 3
Tiberius Posted July 17 Posted July 17 The crazy MAGA talking point that if everyone is armed there would be no shootings was exposed as more MAGA BS pure and simple. Trump was literally surrounded by a score of armed people and still got popped and two of his supporters shot, one is dead. Trump is basically a victim of his own policies 1 1 1
BillsFanNC Posted July 17 Author Posted July 17 (edited) Any information going forward must be viewed through the lens of being approved IC narratives leaked to their propagandists in the reliable media. We need some secret service whistleblowers to seek protection and tell their stories. Edited July 17 by BillsFanNC 3
Doc Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Just now, Tiberius said: The crazy MAGA talking point that if everyone is armed there would be no shootings was exposed as more MAGA BS pure and simple. Trump was literally surrounded by a score of armed people and still got popped and two of his supporters shot, one is dead. Trump is basically a victim of his own policies What it actually shows is that guns by themselves don't kill people: people kill (or don't kill) people. If Cheatle had allowed the sniper to take out Crooks when he had the chance, this never would have happened. 3
Tiberius Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Just now, Doc said: What it actually shows is that guns by themselves don't kill people: people kill (or don't kill) people. If Cheatle had allowed the sniper to take out Crooks when he had the chance, this never would have happened. Easy access to guns ensures it will. The GOP, NRA and gun manufacturers have flooded the country with guns, of course things like this are going to happen 1 1
B-Man Posted July 17 Posted July 17 ONCE THIS WAS INCONCEIVABLE. Sean Davis: Biden’s Team Deliberately Kneecapped Trump’s Security To Allow An Assassination Attempt: They kept the rooftop open, watched the shooter, kept Trump on the stage, and didn’t do a damn thing until after he had been shot. And we’re supposed to believe it was an innocent oopsie? https://thefederalist.com/2024/07/16/bidens-team-deliberately-kneecapped-trumps-security-to-allow-an-assassination-attempt/ “At first glance every trained person in the world said one thing: bull####.” Plus: “Good Lord. I do not want any of this to be the case. I’d far rather have the whole thing have been simple incompetence.” So would we all. 3
BillsFanNC Posted July 17 Author Posted July 17 (edited) Bongino reports that high level source in the secret service confirms that a local tactical counter sniper team was supposed to be posted on the roof. They chose a second floor window instead. Ceding the high ground. From initially blaming on local LE, sloped roof it's all lies. And they keep changing. Says his contacts within SS are horrified and embarrassed by this disaster. Edited July 17 by BillsFanNC 2
Doc Posted July 17 Posted July 17 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Bongino reports that high level source in the secret service confirms that a local tactical counter sniper team was supposed to be posted on the roof. They chose a second floor window instead. Ceding the high ground. From initially blaming on local LE, sloped roof it's all lies. And they keep changing. Says his contacts within SS are horrified and embarrassed by this disaster. They should be. They looked like clowns to the entire world. Hopefully they testify. Edited July 17 by Doc 2
stinky finger Posted July 17 Posted July 17 26 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The crazy MAGA talking point that if everyone is armed there would be no shootings was exposed as more MAGA BS pure and simple. Trump was literally surrounded by a score of armed incompetent people and still got popped and two of his supporters shot, one is dead. Trump is basically a victim of his own policies Fixed. Your welcome. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 17 Posted July 17 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The crazy MAGA talking point that if everyone is armed there would be no shootings was exposed as more MAGA BS pure and simple. Trump was literally surrounded by a score of armed people and still got popped and two of his supporters shot, one is dead. Trump is basically a victim of his own policies What on earth is this blather? There is no talking point that assumes everyone is armed, many people believe in the 2A and don't own firearms. Trump was indeed surrounded by scores of armed people, most of who(m) lacked the ability to see/hear/or confront the guy a couple hundred yards away, perched on a roof 12+ feet off the ground. Trump is a victim of incompetence on a massive scale, and his shooting actually points to the problem most adherents to the 2A bring up virtually every time. We have rules, guidelines, and laws supposedly designed to protect us. Unfortunately, the rules, laws and guidelines do precious little to actually protect us if not properly considered, implemented and adjusted as need be--so it's on the individual to protect himself. I'm not a gun owner, have no desire to own a firearm, but there could have been 25 agents in that building with all sorts of firepower and technology to bring this guy down, none of it mattered because the guy defeated the process. 2
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 17 Posted July 17 58 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Did they wipe it? Maybe he didn't have any traditional social media (Facebook, Insta, X) at all. Not uncommon with boys at all. It may be all Discord and video game communications. As a parent of teens, I've been amazed by how "out" Facebook in particular is. They think it's for their parents and avoid it entirely. The FBI can easily track communications from Discord and video game chats. They can easily track any of the "normal" routes of communication besides content of phone calls. My school had a bomb threat spread through discord and they found that kid within hours and it was his "bogus" account. 10 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: What on earth is this blather? There is no talking point that assumes everyone is armed, many people believe in the 2A and don't own firearms. Trump was indeed surrounded by scores of armed people, most of who(m) lacked the ability to see/hear/or confront the guy a couple hundred yards away, perched on a roof 12+ feet off the ground. Trump is a victim of incompetence on a massive scale, and his shooting actually points to the problem most adherents to the 2A bring up virtually every time. We have rules, guidelines, and laws supposedly designed to protect us. Unfortunately, the rules, laws and guidelines do precious little to actually protect us if not properly considered, implemented and adjusted as need be--so it's on the individual to protect himself. I'm not a gun owner, have no desire to own a firearm, but there could have been 25 agents in that building with all sorts of firepower and technology to bring this guy down, none of it mattered because the guy defeated the process. The fact that Tibs believes this incident is an argument against being armed for self defense is hilarious. The government is often incompetent and in this case it almost cost Trump his life. 2
Tiberius Posted July 17 Posted July 17 54 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: What on earth is this blather? There is no talking point that assumes everyone is armed, many people believe in the 2A and don't own firearms. Trump was indeed surrounded by scores of armed people, most of who(m) lacked the ability to see/hear/or confront the guy a couple hundred yards away, perched on a roof 12+ feet off the ground. Trump is a victim of incompetence on a massive scale, and his shooting actually points to the problem most adherents to the 2A bring up virtually every time. We have rules, guidelines, and laws supposedly designed to protect us. Unfortunately, the rules, laws and guidelines do precious little to actually protect us if not properly considered, implemented and adjusted as need be--so it's on the individual to protect himself. I'm not a gun owner, have no desire to own a firearm, but there could have been 25 agents in that building with all sorts of firepower and technology to bring this guy down, none of it mattered because the guy defeated the process. Oh Bull sh it. Republicans have been blathering on--even on this board--about fortifying everything. I've been making fun of that position for years Why don't they allow guns in the RNC? Can you answer that?
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 17 Posted July 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Oh Bull sh it. Republicans have been blathering on--even on this board--about fortifying everything. I've been making fun of that position for years Why don't they allow guns in the RNC? Can you answer that? That really isn't relevant here. The issue is the Secret Service always performs a risk assessment of the site and develops a security plan based on that assessment. According to sources speaking outside official agency channels that plan including securing the roof top from where the shooter was positioned. That plan obviously wasn't followed and the head of the DHS and SS are making excuses rather than giving an honest and open answer to plainly acknowledge the security failure. Saying the roof of that building was too steep and dangerous to put any agents or sharpshooters on is absurd. As demonstrated by the would-be assassin it was just fine. It's also alleged Trump security detail was compromised because SS agents were re-directed to the security detail of Dr. Jill in Pittsburgh. A significantly low level threat target whereas who is a bigger target threat than Trump? That's why the Secret Service needed to enlist the assistance of local police. A team they never drilled or worked with before. Another risk.This redeployment has been officially denied. Like @leh-nerd skin-erd said yesterday, the governments core operating philosophy is to "avoid transparency at all costs". That doctrine appears to have once again been invoked here. Edited July 17 by All_Pro_Bills 2 2
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