The Frankish Reich Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 56 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Trump changed the game on this front. That was obvious to everyone. Rallies and debates became a whole different animal. We never had such a petty insult comic on the national political stage before Trump. That personality led directly to his win, but you can’t deny it. His outrageous debate comments propelled him right to the front of a big crowd. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 20 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said: Go watch Reagan, G HW Bush or even McCain or Mitt Romney debate. They didn't vilify immigrants and call them criminals and murderers. No one ever proposed a "muslim ban", not even after 9/11. No president ever incited his followers to storm the Capitol to try and stop the certification of votes. Newt Gingrich used to be the poster child for Republican hate and vitriol, but he is pretty friggin mild in comparison to Trump. The tenor of our politics has gotten so much worse than it ever was, despite relatively minor problems in comparison to the past. There is no Vietnam War or civil rights movement, for example. Now the politicians are the ones creating the problems and stoking the flames. Biden also deserves his fair share of blame, but he's not been nearly as bad as Trump over the past 8 years. Trump did not vilify "immigrants", he spoke to illegal immigration...a major problem resulting in death and despair on both sides of the border for several decades. He was hardly the only politician to use strong language in that regard, there is plenty of footage of democrats discussing the vast challenges at our southern border pre-Trump. Frankly, if the combined brain trust of R/D/I politicians over the past 50 years had the common sense to establish a viable border crossing, many, many, many lives would have been spared. I did not agree with the Muslim ban, and it was subsequently corrected. Trump's call was for peaceful protest, but I can understand how a non-supporter might be willing to ignore the "peaceful" part of the equation. Reagan was an incredible, other-worldly communicator, McCain and Romney both incredibly weak candidates--if that's your standard, why bother? Good to see you think Biden is part of the problem, though you missed HRC. Calling 35-40 million Americans 'deplorable' and 'irredeemable' because they disagree with you is pretty hateful imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 35 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Both lies. He told protesters to march peacefully and patriotically to the Capitol. He pre authorized up to 20k national guard which local authorities must request first by law for it to be deployed. Both the DC mayor and house/senate sergeants at arms refused to make official NG tequest. They're not lies. But the facts are a bit grey in areas, which is why they need to have a full trial. He told the crowd he won, the election was stolen, go fight like hell, but then go to peacefully and patriotically. I guess no one heard the peaceful part. NG was authorized, but by Trump to protect his supporters. There were 4 hours between Capitol police request for NG backup. Its not exactly clear what happened, but it is clear that Trump did nothing to make it happen, despite people requesting him to do so. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/us/politics/national-guard-january-6-riot.html 35 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Wrong. Four people died at the Capitol on J6. All Trump supporters. No law enforcement officers died on J6. You've probably only heard one name before, reliable media and all, but here are the names of the only four people who died at the Capitol on J6. Ashli Babbitt, Rosanne Boyland, Kevin Greeson, Benjamin Phillips. you're either being purposely deceitful, or just repeating what you heard. "on" J6 is a technicality, but nice try. Capitol Police Brian Sicknick died the day after Jan 6 after being attacked by the mob Ashli Babbit was shot while trying to break into the Capitol Rosanne Boyland was trampled to death by fellow rioters Kevin Greeson had a heart attack while storming the Capitol Benjamin Phillips had a stroke on his way to the Capitol Three other Capitol police died by suicide a few months later, from the trauma 35 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Maybe, just maybe stop calling Trump who admittedly can be unconventional and bombastic, Hitler and a dictator. Might be a good start towards healing "false divisions" after eight years of hammering he's Hitler rhetoric into the heads of half the country. I admit calling him Hitler is not helpful, even if his policies and tone are reminiscent. There are better ways to discuss policy differences. However, fascism is resurgent around the world and Trump's penchant for hobnobbing with dictators is concerning. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 14 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said: NG was authorized, but by Trump to protect his supporters. There were 4 hours between Capitol police request for NG backup. Its not exactly clear what happened, but it is clear that Trump did nothing to make it happen, despite people requesting him to do so. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/us/politics/national-guard-january-6-riot.html Which is a crime, technically, "dereliction of duty." If a cop saw a rape happening and just laughed, he could be charged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 16 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Trump did not vilify "immigrants", he spoke to illegal immigration...a major problem resulting in death and despair on both sides of the border for several decades. He was hardly the only politician to use strong language in that regard, there is plenty of footage of democrats discussing the vast challenges at our southern border pre-Trump. Frankly, if the combined brain trust of R/D/I politicians over the past 50 years had the common sense to establish a viable border crossing, many, many, many lives would have been spared. He called them animals and not human, just the other day. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-expected-highlight-murder-michigan-woman-immigration-speech-2024-04-02/ rapists and murderers https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-rapists-murderers-crossing-border-calls-biden-not-visiting-disgraceful-1598228 "They're destroying the blood of our country. That's what they're doing. They're destroying our country," https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-doubles-immigrant-blood-remark-says-never-read-mein-kampf-rcna130535 (Which is why he gets compared to Hitler) There area tons of other examples. He's not talking policy choices about immigration, he's peddling hate. 16 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I did not agree with the Muslim ban, and it was subsequently corrected. Trump's call was for peaceful protest, but I can understand how a non-supporter might be willing to ignore the "peaceful" part of the equation. See other comment. He did say "peaceful" but lots of other stuff 16 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Reagan was an incredible, other-worldly communicator, McCain and Romney both incredibly weak candidates--if that's your standard, why bother? Good to see you think Biden is part of the problem, though you missed HRC. Calling 35-40 million Americans 'deplorable' and 'irredeemable' because they disagree with you is pretty hateful imo. Yeah, "deplorables" was a regrettable mistake that ignored serious concerns of Trump supporters. And it ultimately killed her bid. Trump was a new phenomenon then and poorly understood. ..... still I didn't know Trump supporters were so sensitive over that one word. It's not like she called them "rapists and murderers" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) You've chosen to ignore content by Tiberius. Options Stoking up the racism and hatred. You must be one bored nobody pos looking for 5 minutes of fame. Edited July 15 by Unforgiven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Blitz Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) Omg Edited July 15 by Big Blitz 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Omg They really do live in some alternate reality. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: Maybe, just maybe stop calling Trump who admittedly can be unconventional and bombastic, Hitler and a dictator. Might be a good start towards healing "false divisions" after eight years of hammering he's Hitler rhetoric into the heads of half the country. Just saw that JD Vance once likened Trump to Hitler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, harmonkillebrew said: Just saw that JD Vance once likened Trump to Hitler He changed his mind after Trump became President, so it's all good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 30 minutes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 23 minutes ago, B-Man said: Joe. . . . . . . . . . . . . do you know what a 'bullseye is for ? Didn’t see you complaining about this Palin ad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Anyone at work get that “we have personnel here to help you if you are struggling today” email? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, harmonkillebrew said: I admit calling him Hitler is not helpful Are we allowed to quote his VP candidate wondering if he's Hitler or just Nixon? 21 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said: Just saw that JD Vance once likened Trump to Hitler Yeah, but he meant it in the best possible way 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Anyone at work get that “we have personnel here to help you if you are struggling today” email? Obviously, it's because it's political. Compared to a general tragedy, a workplace is going to avoid encouraging political discussions in the office, and rightly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4th&long Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 12 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: “Devout Republican “? Cult 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 16 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: He was too busy golfing to call her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, Tiberius said: He was too busy golfing to call her Even if you don’t care, it’s moronic to not call the widow from a PR/optics standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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